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Is it "Chinglish"? ---I don't tink so!
2014-05-24

I will always be fascinated by beautiful English sentences, such as:

Since your ship was first launched upon the sea of life you have never been still for a single moment; the sea is too deep, you could not find an anchorage if you would; there can be no pause until you come into port.

All white save the river, that marked its course by a winding black line across the landscape; and the leafless trees, that against the leaden sky now revealed more fully the wonderful beauty and intricacies of their branches.

From a biological standpoint, human life almost reads like a poem. It has its own rhythm and beat, its internal cycles of growth and decay.

Etc.

Upon entering the high school, I had been fed up with writing plain and ordinary sentences which shows little imagination or thinking. I tried to use some imaginative rhetoric just as I was writing a composition in Chinese. But as a result, my English teacher in her fifties, who is said to be experienced but in my view a little stubborn and conservative, referred to my compositions as “Chinglish”. This kind of circumstances was numerous; I remember quarreling with her for a couple of times. (I’m sorry for this; it is partly due to the conceit I had got then. But I still think she’s a little conservative even now.)

Content of what we quarrel about is mostly forgotten, but one remains distinct. I wrote once: “Every time......I’ll sank into deeper and deeper darkness”, meaning a stage of depression I got into in a figurative sense. It’s somewhat poetic in Chinese. However it was not understandable to others, my teacher said. Yet I could not change this habit of using my imagination, as if not, I would loss the interest in writing in English. Actually on the whole, I still got better grades in writing then than my fellow classmates.

Now I’m in college; we don’t have much time communicating with our English teacher, and assignments are no longer much. Some days ago, our teacher recommended us a website to improve our writing skills. Compositions are examined by computer, or manual work if you like. I got 87 with a full mark of 100. Not too bad. But as I looked at the mistakes it pointed out to me, I was confused. It considered some phrases in my composition such as “a bible for life”, “those wisdom of the past”,“the interaction between their heart”, “marvelous declaration”, “endless inspiration” as mistakes because they’re not in store in the system, and suspected them as “Chinglish”.

It seems to have put human brain in an inferior stage to a computer system, ignoring its imagination and flexibility. There may be some mistakes in my sentences, I admit, but I’ll never regard this mechanic method as a good way to improve our English writing. On the contrary, it kills creativity and interest English may arouse in students’ mind.

Are those phrases and sentences really “Chinglish”? Passers-by of my blog, please help me if you would. And will you have such problems where you think what you write is right but is regarded as “Engnese”(English Chinese) or “Chinglish”?

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ExileMick 2014-05-29 15:06

No, it's only correct in that it was used as an adjective to describe something. It was, however, incorrect in the context in which it was used. 

No one who has witnessed the execution of a serial killer would describe it as being a 'happy execution' yet the relatives of the victims may well have felt this emotion at seeing, in their eyes, justice being done.

Ballet could never be described as 'breathtaking' though a particular performance might well deserve such an accolade. Similarly, it would be the performance of a play that would merit such praise, not the play itself.

It is my understanding that you were born in the UK and that English is your first language. This entitles you to have a private opinion on the use of English but by no means qualifies you to lecture others on what is or isn't correct grammar especially those with many years of studying this wonderful language and who may rejoice in the title of a Master of English.

You have opined that 'English is a descriptive language' and, whilst this is indeed true, it is also an accurate and concise language in that there is a word for almost everything. e.g. would you say that you are scared of heights or would you use the correct term and say that you are afraid of heights? The difference is there for a reason and that is to express exactly that which is intended to be understood.

Shame on you, lad, for such ignorance of your own language.

seanboyce88 2014-05-28 18:59

the books are really good actually...of course it's only my opinion. he has no fear of killing off a loved character, very enjoyable

Maierwei 2014-05-28 17:15

I haven't    I'm so "uncool" in terms of following the popular books&films... But will give The Game of Thrones a chance!

seanboyce88 2014-05-28 09:41

No I do understand. Just explaining my thoughts on why I thought it was acceptable, just thought I would expand a bit. No offence meant :)

But seriously, if you haven't read the game of thrones serious...read them. (I was one of the cool kids that read them all way before the tv show :p) the last book is honestly breathtaking.

ExileMick 2014-05-28 01:38

You will note, I am sure, that the quotes you have used from your dictionary for 'breathtaking' are all of a positive nature e.g. inspiring, exciting et al. One would never describe a Greek tragedy as being positive. To use 'breathtaking' as an adjective to describe Greek tragedies would be both incongruous and an oxymoron.

Maierwei 2014-05-28 01:14

Right! So I was just saying it's grammatically right, but meaning-wise sounds a little unnatural and maybe exaggerated. But can understand what you mean, reading Goethe's Faust had taken my break away as well. If you asked me to talk about my experience however, I most probably wouldn't say breathtaking.

seanboyce88 2014-05-28 00:53

I agree, it may be way too over the top for such a situation...but GRAMMATICALLY speaking it's not wrong. In mick's own words "it isn't good grammar"...I disagree. It's not a good use of the word, but there is no Grammatical flaw. It's too over the top to describe a tragedy, but if it did somehow take your breathe away then you could use breathtaking in this sense. Maybe the ending had a big twist that took your breathe away. 

I remember reading a dance with dragons (not a greek tragedy I know but a book nonetheless) and literally gasping as it finished, it ends ambiguously and was breathtaking in that it literally took my breath away.

So yes, grammatically correct, maybe waaaaay over the top, but you can technically speaking use it as it is just a verb, just maybe not suitable for about 99% of situations. I just think that English is a descriptive langauge which is very adaptable. So in any situation where your breath is taken away...you can describe it as breathtaking. Ballet can be breathtaking, a play can be breathtaking...so can a book or a story.

Maierwei 2014-05-28 00:12

As we see here, being  native English speaker doesn't mean you agree with other native speakers' feelings about language use   

Actually both ExileMick and seanboyce88 are right. Breathtaking is not grammatically wrong there, and CAN BE used, it's not against any rule. So seanboyce is saying that the quality was astonishing, therefore you can use "breathtaking".

ExileMick says it's wrong, because it doesn't sound that... natural. Poetic expressions can include unusual adjectives, but it's about the "feeling". The meaning is alright! But the connection.... is questionable.

In my opinion "breathtaking" doesn't match with tragedies either. seanboyce88 shared the definition of the word, but here comes the philosophical part. When do we feel astonished, what excites us? This is again about usage. Of course Greek tragedies can excite you, but "breathtaking" is refers to a personal encounter, me thinks. Like, you climb a high mountain, and from the peak you look down and feel it's BREATHTAKING! And you're sitting on your bed, reading a Greek tragedy, you finally finish and? You are very impressed, of course, but that kind of feeling must be different from being on top of a mountain. One, no matter how vivid the narration is, something you "indirectly" experience (reading a tragedy) and the other is something you perceive through your own senses (being on top of a mountain).

Good literature makes people feel 感动, we all know. But breathtaking refers to... a different kind of experience. This is just my opinion!

seanboyce88 2014-05-27 23:54

breath·tak·ing  (brĕth′tā′kĭng)
adj.
1. Inspiring or exciting: a breathtaking view; a breathtaking ride.
2. Astonishing; astounding: breathtaking insensitivity.

The quality of the Greek tragedy was astonishing, or you could say it was breathtaking.

Yes you can. If something is so awe inspiring it takes your breathe away it can simply be called breathtaking.

ExileMick 2014-05-27 23:34

No! You can't and shouldn't use 'breathtaking' in that context. The Greek tragedies were stories and plays that showed the tragedies of life and emotions. Breathtaking would never be used by anyone with a reasonable command of English when referring to a tragedy, be it in a story, book, legend, ancient Greek or otherwise. It isn't good grammar.