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soapdodger Post time: 2013-9-27 09:54
You describe capitalism as disguised imperialism and subsequently make judgments on behalf of all  ...

I did not intend to describe all capitalism as disguised imperialism, but imperaliasm has been disguised as capitalism or democracy by western powers. As of today, the biggest capitalist economy is more than bankrupt financially, it has failed in honest capitalism. You might find more honest capitalism in former socialist countries, while the 'democratic' US uses huge public money (on an unbelievable scale) to prop up crooked financial institutions - banks, that were the bed-rock of capitalism! This qualifies as socialism and not honest socialism at that.
As for moral outrage at violence or subjecting citizens to repressive methods or treating them unequally, it is bad no matter who does it, but i want a clear statement from you if you believe that it is morally better to subject 'foreigners' to it than 'fellow citizens'. make a statement one way or another if want to take a stand and thereby support your statement that capitalism has a moral high ground, historically over socialism. personally, i would rather any country, including my own limits it atrocities to within one's own borders, it is morally superior to suppress one's own country to suppressing and looting innocent people who are helpless in far-away lands. This is relative moralism, but I will take a stand. You try it. You brought up the issue.
Btw, violence and repression does not have to be a precursor to any social change if all people involved were honest, non-violent and worked it out reasonably. it so happens among humans that we dont have such utopia, so the fact is that ALL social changes to and from 'democracy' or socialism seems to be preceded by violence and repression, and often it takes violence and repression to sustain a system too! Capitalism based on arm exports is a glaring example. Just read elementary history of anywhere.
As for who does more honest capitalism AND socialism better today, take a look around the world and you can spot them - I would vote for Switzerland, Singapore at the top. Who would you vote for?
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soapdodger Post time: 2013-9-25 21:09
'Fair Law" .... a fairer system?

What is more dishonest than enforcing a political system upon a  ...

Unfortunately you forgot that all the violence and blood letting in China over
the past 200 years has been directly caused by foreigners invading or trying to invade China.
The Chinese people chose communism just as the Vietnamese did. The USA murdered over a million
Vietnamese for making their choice but did not dare start a war against China. At least not an overt war.

If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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seneca Post time: 2013-9-26 00:26
You as a fat U.S. American buying your wives from a third-world country (cheap, cheap!) must be in ...

You are one misguided stooge boy. Maybe if you clean up your act and try thinking for yourself
you might get some and not be so frustrated all the time.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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seneca Post time: 2013-9-26 00:35
While Socialism may NOMINALLY be about "fair share for everyone", the concept of sharing national re ...

Communism is a very young social system and the rich capitalists have been trying their best to eliminate it since it's birth less than 200 years ago.

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realestateus Post time: 2013-9-26 03:59
""In the end, communist states implode due to internal contradictions, not because of foreign aggr ...

That's because you are part of the western propaganda circle jerk in this forum.
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seneca Post time: 2013-9-26 18:26
You as a fat U.S. American buying your wives from a third-world country (cheap, cheap!) must be in ...

That is a low, cheap personal attack that reflects badly on the thinking of the poster, rather than the target. Please keep off my threads, if this is what you can write.
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bluenoser Post time: 2013-9-26 05:08
Plenty of capitalism.

2012 Chinese billionaires list

Proof that communism part of creating the soon to be most prosperous nation on earth.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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