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Post time 2013-9-26 14:46:07 |Display all floors
KIyer Post time: 2013-9-26 13:51
Unfortunately, money, justice, and an open and transparent government like freedom have to be earne ...

Every regime in the world blames barbarians.


Yet the only successful countries are the most open.....
I've made my living, Mr. Thompson, in large part as a gambler. Some days I make twenty bets, some days I make none. There are weeks, sometimes months, in fact, when I don't make any bet at all because ...

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Post time 2013-9-26 14:47:40 |Display all floors
""Unfortunately, money, justice, and an open and transparent government like freedom have to be earned and built up by a lot of blood, sweat and tears. As the Americans say "Freedom isnt free". ..""


Here you got carried away and crossed the limit of good taste.
FREEDOM ISN'T FREE ... has nothing to do with making money, administratinf justice, and thriving to a transparent government .

Freedom isn't free, in my country, in other countries I lived and stayed for a while, means ... 'we are deeply thankful to those that died, were wounded and devoted some years of their lives to the armed forces of their countries, just to defend the right of the rest to live in FREEDOM'.
FULL STOP.

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Post time 2013-9-26 15:17:52 |Display all floors
This post was edited by realestateus at 2013-9-26 15:21

""You can keep for ism and just give me money, justice and an open and transparent government.""

I'm pretty much with you on that general sentence.
All the 'isms' of the twentieth century got flushed down the sewage of history... are about to or are being held by force, coersion and instituted violence at the expense of the freedoms of society.

I believe in pragmatism. Pragmatism that nurtures itself from all the philosophycal values, principles and ideas accumulated by society in the axis of time ... and uses them as fit, in order to solve, evolve and settle the issues of our existence on every latitude on Earth.

No pre concieved ideas of the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution, just to name two, were tailored to settle nowadays issues in Mali or Afghanistan, just to name two ..

Every conflict has to be dealt with down from the root and the solutions have to be formulated accordingly.

Obama, (and Obama today is not my target), he tried to force Democracy down the throat of the Egyptian People... and the results say, he failed. And I ask, what can 65 million people do with Democracy (80% of the population) when all they have for subsistence is 2 USD/day.. and 6,700 USD GDP per capita ?? For sure the solutions are somewhere else; not in Made in USA Democracy.


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Post time 2013-9-26 17:10:21 |Display all floors
realestateus Post time: 2013-9-26 15:17
""You can keep for ism and just give me money, justice and an open and transparent government.""

I' ...
  1. he tried to force Democracy down the throat of the Egyptian People
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did the dictaks in Beijing told you that?


or did the soldiers in Cairo tell you that?



all these blaming Obama stuffs is so ridiculous, I thought only the uneducated falls for such stuffs.




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Post time 2013-9-26 17:25:19 |Display all floors
realestateus Post time: 2013-9-26 16:47
""Unfortunately, money, justice, and an open and transparent government like freedom have to be earn ...

i presume you meant to reply to my post. Let me clarify in case you did not understand.

As I said in my post, the freedom to make money, the access to justice and an open government are not simply available  ready-made in any society unless the system is built up for them. These take time and effort, sacrifices and constant vigilance. These are just like the freedom Americans claim they have and I rather like their saying that 'freedom isnt free'.
These freedoms and privileges, that you wish to have, one must earn through blood, sweat and tears. I stand by my remarks as relevant and see nothing in bad taste. I am surprised why you would consider this in 'bad taste'.  Let me know your reasons, if you can, rather than just declaring so. I believe these remarks are true. Truth may be bitter for some, but they have to swallow it, no matter the taste.
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Post time 2013-9-26 19:56:07 |Display all floors
KIyer Post time: 2013-9-26 17:25
i presume you meant to reply to my post. Let me clarify in case you did not understand.

As I said ...

Ohhhh, now I get it. It's me the one that didn't understand.

Let me see.
When an American ... and for that matter anyone else on a free or not so free country of the world tells you 'freedom isn't free' what they are telling you is 'we are deeply thankful to those that died, were wounded and devoted some years of their lives to the armed forces of their countries, just to defend the right of the rest to live in FREEDOM'. Are we square on this one..??

You took that term and used it to justify your legit opinion, that a power can use force within its bounderies against their own citizens, for the purpose of streamlining the economy, the justice and  government transparency. And in order to sound utterly convincing you wrote "see, even the Yankees are doing it that way".

Well, it ain't necessarily so; there is another way around it.
It's called The Law.
At a national level, at a regional, county and at city leveles ... the elected representatives of the People decide on behalf of the People, on a set of rules and restrictions in order to streamline anything that a third party might do and has consequences on Peoples' lives.

"Freedom isn't free" is a term coined to express gratitude to those that gave their lives, their health and a few years confined to the armed forces of their country ... to ascertain that all the rest have a fair chance at living in freedom.

Again, "freedom isn't free" doesn't mean you are going to sweat while kicking the azzes of those that do not agree with the agenda of whoever is in power...

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Post time 2013-9-26 19:59:40 |Display all floors
seneca Post time: 2013-9-26 16:35
While Socialism may NOMINALLY be about "fair share for everyone", the concept of sharing national re ...

""In the end, communist states implode due to internal contradictions, not because of foreign aggression. ""

I undersign this statement.

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