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Post time 2013-9-26 12:26:56 |Display all floors
KIyer Post time: 2013-9-25 20:16
Robert, You have a very valid point that many capitalists may be driven by personal greed. There w ...

In my opinion there can be no 'fair law' in a capitalist system.
Capitalism concentrates more and more money to fewer and fewer individuals.
After a while those with all the money make the rules and there is no doubt who these laws will favor.
Communism tries to remedy this. But it is an uphill battle because those with all the money want to
keep it that way. The west finally gave up on the idea of simply going to communist strongholds and
killing all the communists. Look what a disaster Vietnam turn out to be for the west.
Now they are trying to beat the communist through propaganda and marketing.
They are trying their best to keep China in the capitalist phase of communism hoping that the whole
system will decay as it has with any nation stuck in a capitalist social system for too long.
Fair law will prevail only where there is an absence of excessively rich individuals who can buy justice
for themselves and their concerns leaving the majority powerless and ultimately enslaved.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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Post time 2013-9-26 13:11:48 |Display all floors
MichaelM Post time: 2013-9-26 11:34
Excellent! Very well said. If China is socialist or communist (which at least in theory it espouses) ...

thanks Michael! You are right. I see new fledgling capitalism in developing countries is closer to the true entrepreneur spirit and effort. Even if they spring from a  surrounding corrupt bureaucracy as I see in India. The corruption is more at the top there than at the grass-root entrepreneur, who has to work extra hard to pay off the top and really woo the customer among great competition. I dont know much about China, but from what I hear or can judge, one cannot achieve sustained growth and attract tremendous foreign investment for the long term, if the basic foundation is not sound and something is not going right. So, I presume some basic things are going right, even if the media always plays up and sensationalises negative stories.
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soapdodger Post time: 2013-9-26 15:09
'Fair Law" .... a fairer system?

What is more dishonest than enforcing a political system upon a  ...

Atleast communist revolutions enforced a political system perhaps with violent revolutions within their own boundaries to rid themselves of local lineage of royal thugs... but many capitalist  and supposedly democratic economies developed by forcibly occupying faraway strange lands, exterminated or almost wiped out the local people, established slavery and developed capitalism over hundreds of years. Now, do we really want to compare and see which system communism/socialism or capitalism, which historically has the moral high ground?
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Post time 2013-9-26 13:44:18 |Display all floors
You can keep for ism and just give me money, justice and an open and transparent government.


There is little doubt that China is still far behind and that is why there is the desire and clamor for reforms.


From politicians to lay people.
From top dog to bottom laborer.

The most popular word is reform.


I know they talk the talk

But why is it they don't always walk the walk?



I've made my living, Mr. Thompson, in large part as a gambler. Some days I make twenty bets, some days I make none. There are weeks, sometimes months, in fact, when I don't make any bet at all because ...

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Revolutionar Post time: 2013-9-26 15:44
You can keep for ism and just give me money, justice and an open and transparent government.

Unfortunately, money, justice, and an open and transparent government like freedom have to be earned and built up by a lot of blood, sweat and tears. As the Americans say "Freedom isnt free".

These are not something available, cheaply and ready off-the-shelf.

Each society goes about trying to achieve these very goals in their own way. It is good to help them build themselves up, and not tear them down or impose one's way. It is even better, to often just leave them alone and not interfere.
Many 'successful' societies are unable to do this, as we do with even our next door neighbours.
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Post time 2013-9-26 14:22:16 |Display all floors
Robert, I take it that you are a Communist.
Good for you.

I'm a fckkn Capitalist.
Honestly I don't see any other way to own a PC full of Made in Shenzhen components, legit Windows 7, a wide screen, a Microsoft mouse and keyboard ... and a few other things, on this life ... other than professing Capitalism openly and within the limits of The Law..

To tell you the truth ... most of the people that I know ... they are professing Capitalists, even if they don't have the word engraved on their front head or without haven't published it on the WWW. They never expressed any remorse for being de facto Capitalists. Furthermore and to the extent of my limited knowledge, ... they all sleep well with their conciense ...

Now, about what you wrote on your message up there..
Is that for export only ... or you also believe and are willing to die for it..??

My personal experience after being in China, Vietnam and Russia ... I still have to find one English speaking national of those countries that indicates that he wants to be a Communist.
Was I talking to the wrong men and women..??


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