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Will China be the home of freedom now that the USA no longer wants to bother claiming that distinction?
The obscenely rich tighten their grip on the citizens of the USA and nothing is off limits now.
In the news lately are arguments over whether domestic airborne drones will be allowed to monitor the public at will.
Now this...
It doesn't matter any more who gets elected. They're all bought and paid for by the rich ruling class in the USA.
It's no be surprise though. Capitalist nations always end this way. Elections are window dressing.
Only those with massive wealth or those who are trusted and proven stooges of the obscenely rich can hope to
hold office in the USA.
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What happens next with the man responsible for leaking a trove of National Security Agency documents to the Guardian
rests in the hands of two countries who could do anything. They might send him back to the U.S. with express shipping,
or decide to keep him as a global bargaining chip.
Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old American defense contractor, revealed himself as the man responsible for the Guardian's
string of NSA leaks Sunday afternoon. Booz Allen confirmed he was an employee for the last three months. But, for now,
he's in a hotel in Hong Kong ordering room service and covering up every time he logs onto his computer. Snowden said
he chose Hong Kong, despite his ultimate goal of seeking asylum in Iceland, because "they have a spirited commitment
to free speech and the right of political dissent."
And he will, almost assuredly, face criminal charges. Saturday night, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
told NBC News' Andrea Mitchell the NSA requested a criminal investigation into who leaked the information. "For me,
it is literally – not figuratively – literally gut-wrenching to see this happen because of the huge, grave damage it
does to our
intelligence capabilities," Clapper said. This is the latest statement from the Shawn Turner, the NSA's Director of
Public Affairs, per the Huffington Post's Sam Stein (emphasis ours):
We have seen the latest report from The Guardian that identifies an individual claiming to have disclosed information
about highly classified intelligence programs in recent days. Because the matter has been referred to the Department
of Justice, we refer you to the Department of Justice for comment on any further specifics of the unauthorized
disclosure of classified information be a person with authorized access. The Intelligence Community is currently
reviewing the damage that has been done by these recent disclosures.
The White House isn't commenting on Snowden as of Sunday evening. So the Justice Department is investigating and
Snowden is holed up in Hong Kong, for now. If they do file criminal charges, Snowden's future and the chances he
remains in Hong Kong are confusing, at best.
Hong Kong and the U.S. have a bilateral extradition agreement. But it's slightly more complicated than that.
Snowden's decision to go to Hong Kong raises some very big questions. It could be a brilliant move or, frankly, a
supremely dumb one.
The Iceland asylum dream is basically dead in the water already. "A small country that wants to be close friends of
the United States is not going to do that," writes Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall. "But of all the places where
you might have a shot at not getting extradited, China’s not a bad choice."
The extradition treaty between Hong Kong and the U.S. has to be approved by China and Hong Kong if the U.S. decides
to request he be extradited. China has sovereignty over Hong Kong, but Hong Kong was granted a massive amount of
China and Hong Kong Hold Edward Snowden's Fate.
But, ultimately, it will likely come down to how China wants this to play out. They are perhaps the only superpower
who can stand up to the U.S. on political matters. And, luckily for Snowden, President Obama and President Xi Jinping
didn't see eye-to-eye on cyber security issues during their summit this weekend. Snowden's little performance
probably played a big part of it. Marshall thinks there's two ways China could go. One works in Snowden's favor,
while the other does not: Call me naive but I think this is going to come down to how Beijing wants to play this.
If they don’t want a fight over this, Snowden’s toast. If they like the optics of it, I don’t think it matters what
that extradition treaty says.
China’s a big enough player and the US has enough other fish to fry with the Chinese, that the US is not going to
put the bilateral relationship on the line over this guy. And the Chinese might relish granting asylum to an
American running from the claws of US ‘state repression’.
For now we must wait for the Justice Department to press criminal charges against Snowden and for an extradition
request to happen. Snowden could possibly leave Hong Kong for another country, one that doesn't have an extradition
treaty with the U.S., before the authorities find him. Or he could continue staying in his hotel room at the
Mandarin Oriental, with the U.S. embassy just down the street, eating room service until his fate is ultimately
sealed.
Copyright © 2011 The Atlantic Monthly Group.
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Or the US could cancel his passport preventing from traveling anywhere.
I'm just here for the money

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jay_dee Post time: 2013-6-9 19:08
Or the US could cancel his passport preventing from traveling anywhere.

I don't think he's in the mood for sightseeing at the moment.
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but Hong Kong was granted a massive amount of **POOF**


Oops!  Where did the words go?  The other option disqualified by example!  To avoid extradition HK may have been a good choice, but if he wanted freedom he should have chosen Iceland

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brobostigon Post time: 2013-6-9 19:41
Oops!  Where did the words go?  The other option disqualified by example!  To avoid extradition HK ...

Who wants to live in Iceland?
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robert237 Post time: 2013-6-10 11:46
Who wants to live in Iceland?

Bobby Fisher, ...to escape from jew vengence.

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Thought he was dead
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