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Taiwan and Philippines Losing Control Over Spat [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2013-5-19 19:27:19 |Display all floors
You seem to have been present during the event !

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Post time 2013-5-19 19:30:57 |Display all floors
China did not "apologize" nor pay any "compensation" when they killed 3 of my countrymen in the Paracel region 3 years ago.

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Post time 2013-5-19 19:33:15 |Display all floors
Shooting 3 unarmed Vietnamese fisherman who were fighting for their life, their liberty, and their livelihood in the middle of the ocean, surrounded by several Chinese War ships firing squad is hardly what any country would call "decent".  

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Post time 2013-5-19 19:37:18 |Display all floors
This post was edited by abramicus at 2013-5-19 19:39
NgTran Post time: 2013-5-19 19:30
China did not "apologize" nor pay any "compensation" when they killed 3 of my countrymen in the Para ...

You are just trying to throw in your monkey wrench, by pretending you are a Vietnamese.  Your countrymen, NgTran, were the ones who fired on the Taiwanese fisherman, who was fighting to save his livelihood, while fishing in waters his government told him was perfectly legal for him to fish at.  The Vietnamese people have killed more innocent Chinese men, women and children during their maniacal ethnic cleansing of South Vietnam, causing hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese to die of poverty, or drown in the high seas, trying to escape, known the world over as the "Boat People".  The "Boat People" are not just South Vietnamese, but many of them are ethnic Chinese living in Vietnam.  So, when their Navy comes to China looking for more victims, they get what they have long deserved and never got.  This will be true for any country seeking to shoot or confiscate the boats of unarmed Chinese fishermen anywhere within China's EEZ in the South or East China Sea.


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Post time 2013-5-19 21:02:20 |Display all floors
This post was edited by NgTran at 2013-5-19 21:02

Anything to say about the incident in which Chinese marines killed 3 Vietnamese fishermen ?

Self defense ?

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Post time 2013-5-19 21:47:16 |Display all floors
There are certain things they both share

- language
- heritage
- and a tongue like a cow

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Post time 2013-5-20 03:41:39 |Display all floors
This post was edited by abramicus at 2013-5-20 03:52

To NgTran, which Paracel Island was it that 3 Filipino sailors were killed at?

To Seneca, so you also believed wholeheartedly that Taiwan is a renegade province of China?

To rest of forumites, the tragedy of the intentional killing of a Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine Coast Guard inside China/Taiwan's EEZ that overlaps the Philippines EEZ, but outside the sovereign territory of both countries is proof that bilateral talks, as proposed by China all along, cannot wait for geopolitical solutions.  The fishermen of both countries need to earn a living, and cannot feed their families if they cannot fish for more than a few days at a time.  This is a humanitarian issue that both countries must face, and reject all geopolitical considerations for playing delaying and dilatory strategies.  The fishing rights problem is NOT for armchair admirals.  The more pragmatic the talks, the better, because the more concrete the conditions will be, the clearer they are, the easier they are to follow and monitor, and fewer "geopolitical" interference there will be.  It is when politicians try to use these practical issues to bolster their flagging international statuses that simple problems become insoluble.  

These are neighbor-to-neighbor problems, not world problems.  To prevent such tragedies from happening again, Taiwan should take up China's offer for joint patrolling of their common areas of sovereignty and EEZ, and form a joint negotiating panel as well.  Using the PRC emblem is not a setback for the ROC because between themselves they remain equals, even if in the eyes of the world, there is only one China that the world recognizes as the PRC.  In internal jurisidiction, they remain equal but separate, but in external jurisdictions, they remain united and identical.  This is the only way to avoid a similar tragedy befalling the unprotected Taiwanese fishermen who find their government too weak to defend them, either pre-emptively and preventatively, or after any untoward incident within Taiwan's EEZ.

It is time.

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