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expatter Post time: 2013-2-22 22:33
China won this war as its objectives were not actually to do with Vietnam .........

It was a cont ...

What were the objectives? If it was purely punitive, then it was a pyrrhic victory. If it was to get Vietnam out of Cambodia it failed. If it was for expansion and to take territory then it was a pyrrhic victory. I always assumed it was a punitive response but also to send a message to the USSR to back off.
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lau_guan_kim Post time: 2013-2-23 01:33
You had better check your figures.

1.2 million Chinese troops attacked Vietnam in 1979?
If China lost or Vietnam won, why the latter had to withdraw from Kampuchea (Cambodia)?


Vietnam withdrew from Cambodia in 1989, after economic sanctions. If China's military objectives were to make the Vietnam withdraw from Cambodia then it was a decisive defeat. Chinese troops were beaten back by militia forces and sustained heavy casualties. While Vietnam didn't leave Cambodia. The only way it could have been a victory for China if the objectives were purely punitive or to expand and take land. But both these would be pyrrhic victories as the cost to China was also high.
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Prometheus2 Post time: 2013-2-23 17:31
What were the objectives? If it was purely punitive, then it was a pyrrhic victory. If it was to g ...

Your last idea is empirically correct as both Washington and Beijing wanted the Russians out of Asia and especially the deep water ports in S. Vietnam. The data suggests that China sent 600,000 troops to Vietnam of which 200,000 were kept in reserve. Meanwhile, 1.5 million troops went to the Russian border to challenge the Russians to intervene, which they didn't. The limited attack on Vietnam and the non-response of Russia meant that Russia had not kept its treaty with Vietnam which knockedthe Russians out of the game. When China withdrew it was because their objective and that of Washington had been achieved as Vietnam no longer had its Russian partner. The Vietnamese in Camabodia because the King, the Khamer Rouge, Washington and Beijing collectively used the UN and media to turn Vietnam into an international pariah and they left Cambodia in 1979.

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Uncle_Pang Post time: 2013-2-23 21:16
You know you politics old man!

I can assume you too, is a living witness to the historical event. ...






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Post time 2013-2-23 21:37:30 |Display all floors
Deng Xiao ping whilst in Washington at the time of theis event told them .........

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