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TheHermit

Eudaimonia Post time: 2013-1-26 00:25
Offcourse it matters what they're called because words relay meaning.

for example: freeing the op ...

The parties are there to keep useful idiots happy... the real aim is world domination.

Of all Europeans the German speaking people were the ones closest to the Greeks, claiming a common past. This is an attempt to destroy that link through subservient governments in both Germany and Greece.

LCSULLA

Eudaimonia Post time: 2013-1-26 00:05
There are no bailouts, the only bailouts that exist are for the lenders. This is evident by the r ...

Naa, it's more perverse than that, still.
"Bailing out" Countries are buying greek gouvernment debts with tax money,
delaying an inevitable default, allowing thus private banks to get rid of theirs,
the default will happen though.
The money that will inevitably be lost will be direct tax money,
Greece will be rated defaulted (difference to a real bail out, as e.g. Banks received)
as they are unable to pay them back.
etc.
It's still a bit more details, a bit more complicated, but tl;dr, it's fcuked up.

And the process of delaying the default is further damaging for greeks.
Also, deay in filing bankruptcy is a major criminal offense by german civil law.

LCSULLA

TheHermit Post time: 2013-1-26 00:22
You are splitting hair..... does it matter what they are called?

The Germans are giving money, w ...

As said,
bailout meant that Greece was helped, and Greece got out of it.
since it's also credits, although at better rates than greece could get on the market,
it will be a default.
Markets will still not buy greek debt at any normal conditions since the default on current debts is still to happen,
and they're still uneasy about the risks for euro countries that are increasing due to it.

Eudaimonia

It's a bail out of the banks and the elites of Europe, not a bail-out of Greece.

If it was a bail out of Greece there'd be a real trimming of the debt that made the debt sustainable and not a "always on the edge of the cliff" policy of never ending loans. Greece's main problem (by far) is that the foreign lenders with the help of the Greek government are keeping us in that state, a state in which it seems that anything can happen - a state of uncertainty in which only idiots can invest in the country and everything is sold in extremely low prices. A secondary problem for Greece is the despicable propaganda which sadly was even in this thread, the image of a bad Greece that deserves punishment.
Sadly with the help of EU propaganda Syriza didn't get into government in the last ellections and we're paying dearly for it now, they're trying to sell out everything while they're constantly shrinking the economy and wages. I wouldn't be surprised if the current and/or previous Greek government(s) were blackmailed into all of this with the Christoforakos's list, but sadly we'll probably never know. Recent reports show that Papanderous's government artificially inflated the statistics (!) in order to make things seem worse so that we seem like we need this "bail out".

The time of Syriza will come, the time we'll throw the oligarchy and their friends to the aegean sea.

TheHermit

LCSULLA Post time: 2013-1-26 00:48
As said,
bailout meant that Greece was helped, and Greece got out of it.
since it's also credits,  ...

You are right about the bailouts..... the intention was not to sort the problems out but to delay the inevitable, while the culprits recovered their losses by further dipping into the taxpayers' pockets...

LCSULLA

Eudaimonia Post time: 2013-1-26 02:02
It's a bail out of the banks and the elites of Europe, not of Greece.

If it was a bail out of Greec ...

Well,
constantly keeping Greece on the cliff weakens the Euro as the Currency of Germany,
keeping german exports cheap in competition.

I'ts not like the demand for german products was the most price elastic though, so what's the point?
At the same time the shared currency is just way tooo expensive as greek currency, to compete in anything.
Speaking of just a small elite of Europeans oversimplifies things.

Note the dialogue with in #32.
Mueller is not just financial guy, also stock broker,
so what if not a member or minion of that elite if it was the case?
And he's quite vocal about such and a number of other things.

Prometheus2

Eudaimonia Post time: 2013-1-26 00:03
No, they're not.

Work in Greece is at the top (or 2nd?) of hours worked, don't lie please.

I didn't lie. Check the statistics without part time or casual work. Greece has many unemploye who in other countries are in part time work.Read my previous post again. Once again your being misleaded. And long hours with little productivity is even worse haha. Did you check the tax statistics? Can't ignore those.