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Post time 2012-12-5 07:55:39 |Display all floors
Albert Einstein wrote in 1949 that there could not be democracy or freedom with capitalism because capitalists control education and the media. That is why the western media is just a propaganda machine.
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Post time 2012-12-5 08:05:48 |Display all floors
A must character of democracy is that the government doesn't have to work for ANY special interest group, either government itself, or the rich, or any religion group.

Therefore there is no democratic country on earth, except several super-rich north-European countries.

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Post time 2012-12-5 08:19:51 |Display all floors
BTW, the corruption in West is at least not better than that in China.

The unions got fat contracts through political donations, those contracts bankrupted their countries.

What did the rich and big corps get in return from political donation?

That, is the size of corruption in West.

The only difference is that in West, "free" media doesn't want to make their favorite system look bad, but they hate every bit of the system in China as they are no body under such system.

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Post time 2012-12-5 10:31:01 |Display all floors
honkam Post time: 2012-12-4 02:40
China never claim to be , but the west is always harping on about how great they have it,

and you a ...

"Of the Gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can." Thucydides

All systems will eventually degrade into an oligarchy or plutocracy. In the West our rulers call it a meritocracy in an attempt to obscure the fact that merit is only measured by wealth.

I shall partly disagree with you my friend Honkam, Democracy even in its original form does not exclude war. I cannot remember who said......  that it was easier to take 1000 Athenians to a fight than a single Spartan.
The Athenians, even though citizens of a true democracy, were a belligerent lot and always at war.
The world needs more idiots like me, all the others think they are clever.

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Post time 2012-12-5 10:35:14 |Display all floors
Eudaimonia Post time: 2012-12-4 03:28
Most people (westerners too) don't even know what democracy really is. When you're born in somethi ...

That is very true... people seldom long for that which they never had. They try to make the most of what they have.
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Post time 2012-12-5 10:43:41 |Display all floors


Switzerland's Direct DemocracyDefinition of Direct Democracy

Direct Democracy can be defined as a form or system of democracy giving citizens an extraodinary amount of participation in the legislation process and granting them amaximum of political self-determination.


Origins of Switzerland's Direct Democracy

In Switzerland, Direct Democracy has a long tradition: The origins of Direct Democracy can be traced back to the late the middle ages: archaic forms (assemblies of the electorate discussing and deciding major political issues) have been practised in part of the country since the founding of the Old Swiss Confederacy in 1291.

The origins of Switzerland's modern system of Direct Democracy with formalized opinion polls and frequent referendums lie in the experimental phase of democracy in the 19th century when Switzerland was surrounded by monarchies on the European continent that showed little to none enthusiasm for democracy.
> History of Switzerland's Federal Constitution (1848) and Direct Democracy


Basic Facts & Features of Switzerland's Direct Democracy
  • The Swiss constitution defines in some detail all areas subject to federal legislation. Anything not explicitly mentioned is left to the legislation of the cantons (federal states).
    Therefore it is necessary to update the constitution from time to time to take account of changes in society and technology that demand for standardised solutions throughout the country.
    The Swiss constitution may be changed only if an overall majority of the electorate agrees in a referendum and if the electorate of a majority of the cantons agrees, too. The latter is sometimes just a little more difficult because it means that the rather conservative electorate of smaller rural cantons must be convinced as well.
    Nevertheless, minor changes to the Swiss constitution are quite frequent without affecting the basic ideas nor the stability of Switzerland's Political System. To the contrary: Direct Democracy is the key to Switzerland's famous political stability.
  • All federal laws are subject to a three to four step process:
    1) A first draft is prepared by experts in the federal administration.
    2) This draft is presented to a large number of people in a formalized kind of opinion poll: Cantonal governments, political parties as well as many non-governmental organisations and associations of the civil society may comment on the draft and propose changes.
    3) The result is presented to dedicated parliamentary commissions of both chambers of the federal parliament, discussed in detail behind closed doors and finally debated in public sessions of both chambers of parliament. Members of parliament do take into account the results of step 2, because if the fail to do so, step 4 will be inevitable.
    4) The electorate has a veto-right on laws: If anybody is able to find 50,000 citizens signing a form demanding for a referendum within 3 months, a referendum must be held. Laws do only need to find a majority of the national electorate to pass a referendum, not a majority of cantons. Referendums on more than a dozen laws per year are not unusual in Switzerland.
  • Frequent referendums on minor changes to the federal or cantonal constitutions, new or changed laws, budgets etc,
    - referendums on constitutional changes are mandatory
    - referendums on laws are "facultative" (only if 50,000 citizens, i.e. roughly 1.2% of the electorate, demand for it)
    Learn more about Referendums in Switzerland
  • Corresponding rules apply for referendums on cantonal and communal level. While referendums concerning budgets are not possible on federal level they are common on communal level. It depends on the 26 cantonal constitutions whether they are mandatory, facultative or possible at all.
    The number of citizens that may demand for a cantonal or communal referendum depends on the size of the corresponding electorate, as a rule of thumb, about 1% are usual.
  • Popular Initiative: 100,000 citizens (roughly 2.5% of the electorate) may demand for a change of the constitution by signing a form. The federal parliament is obliged to discuss the initiative, it may decide to recommend or to reject the initiative or it may propose an alternative. Whatever they choose to do, all citizens will finally decide in a referendum whether to accept the initiative, the alternate proposal or stay without change.





If democracy was utilised like above , then maybe there is a chance of no wars, and i respect your reply.{:soso_e181:}

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Post time 2012-12-5 10:47:36 |Display all floors
honkam Post time: 2012-12-4 02:40
China never claim to be , but the west is always harping on about how great they have it,

and you a ...

China regularly uses the buzz word 'democracy' in its propaganda. Many authoritarian countries do. North Korea is called the The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire

The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them
ignora

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