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IS CHINA REALLY A PAPER DRAGON?

Did China put up the marine surveillance show only for domestic consumption, but is not really trying to protect China's sovereignty?  This report from the 9/23/2012 debacle experienced by Taiwanese fishermen and activists trying to land on Diaoyutai, but finding no Chinese marine surveillance ship anywhere nearby to distract the Japanese coast guard vessels, let alone block them from harrassing the Taiwanese activists, suggests that the "effort" to protect Diaoyu Dao is not for earnest.  

If so, it would appear that the conclusion of the upcoming talks would likely be the perpetration of Japanese occupaton, exercise of jurisdiction, and sovereignty over Diaoyu island.  

All that is left then is the Ma government in Taiwan to defend the sovereignty of China over Diaoyutai.  And that is obviously not sufficient.

See http://international.caixun.com/content/20120923/CX020alc.html


更为强硬的是中国海军派出在[9月]18日以后派出了16艘公务船,而在21日一度达到20艘公务船,其中两艘护卫舰。同时中国五大军区也开始军事演习。从这些表象看,中国军方都已经做好了和日本海军做好了全面对抗的准备。

可惜的是,目前为止据日本媒体报道,中国所有公务船已经离开了钓鱼岛附近海域。但这个是日本数十名警察登陆钓鱼岛之后的行为。可见,目前为止中国海军有所退缩。

日本数十名警察登陆钓鱼岛 中国海监船何在?

昨日日本数十名警察登陆我钓鱼岛,而欲拦截我台湾保钓人士登陆钓鱼岛。其中据保钓人士黄竹表示,原本以为大陆渔船已经去保钓,可以分散日本船只注意力,让他们有机会趁空档骑水上摩托车登岛,但抵不过日船阻挡,只好趁安全时回航。面对着日本海上警察,中国台湾保钓人士无可奈何。

值得我们深思的是,9月21日晚,日本海上保安厅的部分保安官和冲绳县警察本部的数十名警察官登上钓鱼岛,准备对付有可能登陆该岛的台湾的一艘保钓船。而中国的公务船何在啊?

自今年以来,中国保钓人士只有在8月15日以来登陆钓鱼岛,而且还遭到了逮捕。而日本却恰恰相反,已经连续在1月、5月、8月,还有9月两次,一共是五次登陆钓鱼岛。可是中国海监船在哪里呢?

前两天有日本媒体报道,中国两艘护卫舰赴钓鱼岛巡视,可是在哪里呢?面对着日本数十名警察登陆钓鱼岛拦截我台湾保钓人士,中国的护卫舰为何不敢登岛抓人并扣留呢?护卫舰在哪里呢?在干嘛呢?面对着钓鱼岛之争,日本并未服软,相反是变本加厉的登陆我钓鱼岛拦截我保钓人士。

而今日日本媒体引述海上保安厅的消息保钓,所有中国公务船已经离开钓鱼岛附近海域,这是一周来的第一次。

或许面对着日本强势反击,中国在钓鱼岛问题上只说不做,特别是日本警察登陆我钓鱼岛却没人拦截,而海监船和护卫舰在哪里呢?没人去拦截,而今日全部撤离钓鱼岛海域,不知道为何?但这足以说明,钓鱼岛之争中国再次输了,而且输的彻底


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日本警察登钓鱼岛 下一步野田登钓鱼岛 中国何时“亮剑”?2012年09月22日 20:40 已有33414人阅读 字号:T | T 复制链接 打印

19日,日本首相野田佳彦承认误判低估了中国人民捍卫钓鱼岛的决心,特别是中国从民间、政府和军方纷纷表态令野田佳彦招架不住。还打算拟派特使赴华沟通并寻找解决办法。可是野田佳彦说一套做一套,甚至可以说野田的缓兵之计取得了成功。21日,野田佳彦成为连任自民党党首,在投票前的演讲中,野田佳彦称,他将继续强调日本的主张,以强硬的姿态来解决领土问题。而在22日,日本数十名警察登陆钓鱼岛欲拦截我台湾保钓人士。目前来看,这是日本人一个月来第二次登陆我钓鱼岛。下一步是不是日本首相野田佳彦登陆钓鱼岛呢?可惜的是,中国的护卫舰和海监船却迟迟未敢亮剑拦截日本警察登陆钓鱼岛。

野田佳彦缓兵之计实为麻痹中国

日本首相野田佳彦19日晚在朝日电视台一档节目中表示,为修复因钓鱼岛“国有化”而出现紧张的中日关系,将考虑采取派特使访华等举措。野田称,“考虑到了国有化会引发一定程度的反应和摩擦,但规模超出了预想”,承认自己预估有误。

在当时笔者就认为,野田佳彦此举乃是缓兵之计,原因很简单,就像9月份上旬的时候,随着中国强势,野田佳彦亲笔信于中国国家主席胡锦涛,而随后在9月11日就将钓鱼岛“国有化”、12日就从所谓的钓鱼岛“岛主”手中以20.6亿日圆购买钓鱼岛。当时就是以缓兵之计麻痹中国。

而随着中国从民间到政府、军方,以及中国海军的强势,野田政府无计可施,甚至招架不住了。应该说野田佳彦低估了中国人民捍卫自己领土的决心和自尊心。同时也野田佳彦必须考虑到中日之间的关系关系到日本的未来。同时日本是否还在担心一旦中日开战,美国是否帮助日本也令野田担心。

所以当时野田佳彦表示拟派特使赴华和解,笔者就是认为,野田佳彦只是为党首选举争取时间,为日本警察再度登上钓鱼岛找个借口以缓解中日之间对抗,特别近日中日军舰钓鱼岛附近的对抗。

可惜的是,昨天晚上野田佳彦在党首选举制获得连任,而在投票前的演讲中,野田佳彦称,他将继续强调日本的主张,以强硬的姿态来解决领土问题。而且还表示将在第68届联合国一般性辩论会将钓鱼岛和独岛问题提交到联合国上,而野田佳彦将进行辩解。由此可见,野田是一方面是表明上何谈,另一方是暗地的向联合国施压,为自己争取空间和时间。

同时也正是这两日,中国台湾保钓人士打算赴钓鱼岛,声称援助大陆保钓船。可惜却遭到了日本海上警察的拦截。当地时间9月21日晚,日本海上保安厅的部分保安官和冲绳县警察本部的数十名警察官登上钓鱼岛,准备对付有可能登陆该岛的台湾的一艘保钓船。据日本海上保安厅消息,从昨日下午开始,台湾的一艘保钓船和一艘巡防船先后进入距离钓鱼岛数十海里的海域。

虽然经国务院批准,国家海洋局、民政部昨天(21日)公布了钓鱼岛等岛屿及其周边海域部分地理实体的标准名称及位置示意图。但日本政府和日本警察却无视中国的任何决定,还是数十名登上钓鱼岛。

数十名警察登陆钓鱼岛 野田再下一盘大棋

当地时间9月21日晚,日本海上保安厅的部分保安官和冲绳县警察本部的数十名警察官登上钓鱼岛,准备对付有可能登陆该岛的台湾的一艘保钓船。


Google Translation:
19th., Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda acknowledged underestimated the determination of the Chinese people to defend the Diaoyu Islands, in particular, expressed their support from civil society, government and military make Yoshihiko Noda Zhaojiabuzhu. The also intend proposed special envoy to China to communicate and to find solutions. But Yoshihiko Noda saying one thing and doing another, and even can be said Noda stalling tactics a success. 21, Yoshihiko Noda, the re-election of the Liberal Democratic Party the party first speech before the vote, Yoshihiko Noda said he will continue to emphasize Japan's advocate, a hard-line attitude to resolve the territorial issue. 22, dozens of police in Japan landing Diaoyu Islands To intercept Taiwan Diaoyu. The present situation, which is the Japanese a month to the second landing Diaoyu Islands. The next step is not Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda landing Diaoyu Islands it? Unfortunately, frigates and ocean surveillance ship has as yet dared Sword intercept Japanese Police Log Diaoyu Islands.
Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, TV Asahi show that on the evening of 19, will consider taking the to repair strained Sino-Japanese relations due to the Diaoyu Islands "nationalization", sent a special envoy's visit to China and other initiatives. Noda said, "Taking into account the nationalization will lead to a certain degree of reaction and friction, but the scale is beyond expectations", admit estimated.I think at the time, Yoshihiko Noda move but stalling tactics, the reason is very simple, like early September, with strong Yoshihiko Noda, a personal letter from Chinese President Hu Jintao, and subsequently in the September 11, 2011 will be Diaoyu Islands "nationalization", the 12th, called the Diaoyu Islands "the island main" in the hands of a 2.06 billion yen to buy the Diaoyu Islands. At that stalling tactics paralysis.With China from the private to the government, the military, as well as strong Chinese navy, Noda government do anything, even overwhelmed. It should be said Yoshihiko Noda has underestimated the determination and pride of the Chinese people to defend their territory. Also Yoshihiko Noda must take into account the relationship between the Sino-Japanese relationship to the future of Japan. Whether Japan is also worried that once the Sino-Japanese war, whether or not the United States to help Japan also makes Noda worried.Yoshihiko Noda said the proposed special envoy to China reconciliation, I think that is, Yoshihiko Noda, just to gain time for the party's first election to the Diaoyu Islands, Japanese police again to find an excuse to ease the confrontation between China and Japan, in particular, the recent Sino-Japanese warships near the Diaoyu Islands confrontation.Unfortunately, last night Yoshihiko Noda won re-election in the party's first electoral system, in a speech before the vote, Yoshihiko Noda said he will continue to emphasize Japan's advocate, a hard-line attitude to resolve the territorial issue. But also in the 68th Session of the UN General Debate of the Diaoyu Islands and Dokdo issues submitted to the United Nations, Yoshihiko Noda will defend. Shows that Noda is on the one hand is to show that on what to talk about, and the other party is secretly to put pressure on the United Nations to fight for their space and time.Also it is these two days, the Chinese Diaoyu Islands who intend to go to the Diaoyu Islands, claimed to aid the continent Diaoyu Islands boat. Unfortunately, it was intercepted by Japanese Maritime Police. On the evening of September 21, local time, dozens of police officials of the Japan Coast Guard, part of the security officer and the Okinawa Prefecture Police Headquarters of the Diaoyu Islands, and prepared to deal with the possible landing the island of Taiwan, a Diaoyu Islands boat. According to the Japan Coast Guard news from yesterday afternoon, one of Taiwan's Diaoyu Islands boat and a patrol boat has access to dozens of nautical miles from the Diaoyu Islands waters.Approved by the State Council, the State Oceanic Administration, the Ministry of Civil Affairs announced yesterday (21 May), the standard name and location of the Diaoyu Islands and its surrounding waters geographic entity diagram. But the Japanese government and the Japanese police ignoring any decision, or dozens of the Diaoyu Islands.Dozens of police officers landing the Diaoyu Islands Noda next disc large chessOn the evening of September 21, local time, dozens of police officials of the Japan Coast Guard, part of the security officer and the Okinawa Prefecture Police Headquarters of the Diaoyu Islands, and prepared to deal with the possible landing the island of Taiwan, a Diaoyu Islands boat.


To be continued ..........



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据日本海上保安厅消息,从昨日下午开始,台湾的一艘保钓船和一艘巡防船先后进入距离钓鱼岛数十海里的海域。可是未见中国海监船或者护卫舰拦截。
近日随着中国政府和军方强硬,中国16艘公务船,其中两艘护卫舰巡视钓鱼岛。而台湾方面看到中国在钓鱼岛上的强硬态势,原本联合大陆保钓人士登陆钓鱼岛,由于种种原因,目前只有台湾保钓人士前往钓鱼岛。而台湾保钓船“大瀚711号”进入钓鱼岛海域25海里时,日本保安厅船只靠近,接着前后包夹,日本人用中文严厉警告该船已进入日本领海,而黄竹和船员们也不甘示弱,回呛“钓鱼台是我们的,我们来收复领土,请日本人不要干扰”,期间台湾“海巡署”和星舰则一路护航,台日船只并未发生对峙、碰撞。

或许还有一种原因令日本警察敢于登陆钓鱼岛拦截台湾保钓人士,就是美国“鱼鹰”运输机今日试飞,而其目的就是协防日本海上保安厅协防钓鱼岛。

野田连任党首强势回应钓鱼岛问题,右翼反华游行示威,美国继续撑腰,日本在钓鱼岛问题上越来越强硬,甚至登陆钓鱼岛随时可以登陆。不知道中国何时登陆钓鱼岛。

现在日本允许警察登陆钓鱼岛,而未来谁将成为第一个登陆钓鱼岛的日本首相呢?从目前来看,野田佳彦很可能成为第一个敢吃螃蟹的人。

中国“何时”亮剑?

据共同社消息,日本第11管区海上保安总部(那霸)22日上午新确认了1艘中国渔政船“渔政310”在钓鱼岛海域航行。18日以来,驶入钓鱼岛附近海域的中国海监船与渔政船已增至共20艘。其中两艘护卫舰。

中国护卫舰和海监船在做什么呢?谁在给中国台湾保钓人士护航呢?目前来看,中国护卫舰巡视钓鱼岛却未做到应该做的事情。而今日日本数十名警察登陆钓鱼岛却未敢拦截,不知道是没看见,还是不敢拦截呢?
说真的,面对着钓鱼岛之争,中国已经在8月15日,日本战败人受辱过一次,就是中国香港保钓人士登陆钓鱼岛遭到日本拦截并扣留,而8月19日,日本右翼分子登陆钓鱼岛,中国海监船却不见人影,没人给予拦截。这已经是受辱和输了一局。
而最近原本随着中国从民间的大规模反日游行,到中国高层领导纷纷表示全力捍卫钓鱼岛主权,到军方派出海监船和护卫舰巡视并捍卫钓鱼岛主权来看,中国能在钓鱼岛上会进一步强硬,甚至会拦截登岛的日本人。可惜从目前来看,中国没做到。

还有一点我们必须值得警惕,现在日本警察已经开始登岛拦截我保钓人士,而获得连任的日本首相野田佳彦是否会继续强势很可能成为国际关注的焦点。而笔者认为,野田的缓兵之计凑效之后,野田会部署下一步棋局,其棋局就是亲自登陆钓鱼岛。

不知道中国何时亮剑?若是中国还不亮剑,真的不知道日本还会做出什么出格的行动。


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Google Translation:
According to the Japan Coast Guard news from yesterday afternoon, one of Taiwan's Diaoyu Islands boat and a patrol boat has access to dozens of nautical miles from the Diaoyu Islands waters. But no Chinese ocean surveillance ship or frigate to intercept.Recently tough with the Chinese government and military, China's 16 official boat, including two frigates patrol the Diaoyu Islands. Taiwan, see China's hard-line posture on the Diaoyu Islands, the original to joint continental Diaoyu landing Diaoyu Islands, due to various reasons, only Taiwan Diaoyu Diaoyu Islands. Taiwan Diaoyu Islands boat No. 711 VASTSEA, enter the Diaoyu Islands waters 25 nautical miles, the the Japan Security Office of the vessel near followed before and after the double-team a stern warning, the Japanese use the Chinese ship has been entered Japanese territorial waters, the Wong Chuk and crew also unwilling show weakness, back choking "Diaoyutai us, we are to regain the territory to please the Japanese do not interfere with" during Taiwan's "Coast Guard" and starship is all the way to escort, Taiwan and Japan, the vessel has not confrontation, collision.Perhaps there is a reason the Japanese police dare to landing Diaoyu Islands to intercept Taiwan Diaoyu is The "Osprey transport aircraft in the United States today test flight, and its purpose is to assist in the defense of the Japan Coast Guard to help defend the Diaoyu Islands.Noda re-election to the party's first strong response to the Diaoyu Islands issue, the right-wing anti-China demonstrations, the United States continues, backed by Japan on the Diaoyu Islands issue is becoming tougher and tougher, even landing Diaoyu Islands can visit at any time. Do not know the Chinese when landing Diaoyu Islands.Japan now allows police landing Diaoyu Islands, the future who will become the first landing of the Diaoyu Islands Japanese Prime Minister? Judging from the current situation, Yoshihiko Noda is likely to become the first person to eat crab.China "when" Sword?According to Kyodo news, Japan 11 Coast Guard headquarters (Naha) in the morning of 22 new confirmed a Chinese fishery boat fishery 310 "sailing in the waters of the Diaoyu Islands.18 since entering the waters near the Diaoyu Islands, China ocean surveillance ship the fishery vessel has already been increased to a total of 20. Including two frigates.Chinese frigates and ocean surveillance ship do? Who in China Taiwan Diaoyu escort it? In the present situation, the Chinese frigate visits Diaoyu Islands failed to do the right thing to do.Today, dozens of police in Japan landing Diaoyu Islands, but did not dare to intercept, did not know did not see, did not dare to intercept it?That really faced with a dispute over the Diaoyu Islands, China August 15, Japan was defeated man humiliated once, that is, Hong Kong, China, Diaoyu landing Diaoyu Islands have been to Japan to intercept and detain, and August 19, the Japanese right-wingers landing Diaoyu Islands, China ocean surveillance ship was gone forever, no one to give the intercept. This has been humiliated and lost one council.Recently, the original view from the large-scale anti-Japanese demonstrations of folk with the Chinese, to China's top leaders have said that to defend the sovereignty of the Diaoyu Islands, the military sent ocean surveillance ship and a frigate to patrol and defend the sovereignty of the Diaoyu Islands, China on the Diaoyu Islands will further hardline even intercept the Japanese landing on the island. Unfortunately, for now, the Chinese did not do it. Another point we must be worthy of attention, the Japanese police have started landing on the island now intercept I Diaoyu, and was re-elected Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda will continue strong and is likely to become the focus of international attention. The author believes that the stalling tactics of ridiculous Noda, Noda will deploy Next chess game chess game is the person landing Diaoyu Islands.Not know He Shiliang sword? If the Chinese do not Sword really do not know the Japanese will make anything out of action.


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China should take the same vein as the Potsdam Procalamation of 1945:

1.  China wishes to resolve the Diaoyu dispute peacefully if at all possible.


2.  China is giving Japan a chance to remove its coast guard and policemen from Diaoyu island.


3.  The alternative is for Japanese stragglers on the island to face prompt and utter eviction.


4.  If evicted, Japan will owe China $125 million US dollars for back rent, plust another $100 miliion for reparations of China's cost of evicting the Japanese, depending on the losses suffered by China.


5.  If Japan leaves voluntarily before 10/21/2012, one week from today, the backrent and reparations will not be required
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This post was edited by abramicus at 2012-10-16 12:07
sansukong Post time: 2012-10-16 05:00
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THE DELAY IN CHINA'S RESPONSE TO JAPAN MAY HAVE BEEN DUE TO LOGISTICAL REASONS -- BUT THIS IS A VERY NAIVE REASON.

Rather than fight and lose, China recently produced 36 marine surveillance ships, the first of which was just commissioned yesterday, and the rest of which are likley to be deployed within the next two weeks.

In short, China's defense policy came short of the needs of its people.  China was able to deter an attack on its mainland by producing hundreds of nuclear missiles.  But China was unable to defend its islands from attacks by superior naval forces as Japan has, and so is making up for lost time with producing more ships.  But this takes time, and Japan will not give China any more time.  It has nationalized Diaoyu Dao, and it will promote its sovereignty over Dioayu while China is still preparing to fight Japan.

Only the Truman solution will work here.  Demand Japan's surrender of Diaoyu immediately, or mobilize China's strategic defense, equating an invasion of an island with an invasion of the Chinese mainland.  If America did not so react to the attack on another island, of Hawaii, Japan would have had enough time to make its own A-bomb and destroy San Francisco and force America to accept Japanese sovereignty over all of the Pacific islands, including Australia.

China has neither the time nor the resources to mount an effective tactical defense of Diaoyu island.  All that China can do, and is being forced by Japan to do, is to mount a strategic defense to put an immediate stop to Nazi Japan's annexation of Diaoyu and official abrogation of the Potsdam Proclamation and the Japanese Empire's Instrument of Surrender of September 2, 1945.  China realistically has no other choice.  If this is not a strategic emergency, what is?  So, what is China waiting for?  A Japanese nuclear missile capability pointed like a dagger at her heart?  Will the Japanese do it?  Ask yourself . . . will Japan do such a thing?  If China's leaders cannot answer this question, they might as well surrender now and be spared the sufferings to come.


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abramicus Post time: 2012-10-16 11:54
THE DELAY IN CHINA'S RESPONSE TO JAPAN MAY HAVE BEEN DUE TO LOGISTICAL REASONS -- BUT THIS IS A VER ...
So, what is China waiting for?  A Japanese nuclear missile capability pointed like a dagger at her heart?

LoL, quote of the month. Japan, the new Iran but only in Abramicus's mind.

China should stop those damn uncivilised terrorists before they hurt her! Facts speak for themselves, Japan has shot 0 (zero) bullets against anyone since world war2, this must mean that they're secretely nazi's who're saving their bullets to attack China. Who knows how many bullets they have saved so far! {:soso_e113:}


Anyway, i'll give your text: five crazy person stars out of five crazy person stars.

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RE: IS CHINA REALLY A PAPER DRAGON?

This post was edited by sansukong at 2012-10-16 15:56
sansukong Post time: 2012-10-16 00:40
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日本警察登钓鱼岛 下一步野田登钓鱼岛 中国何时“亮剑”?2012年09月22日 20:40 已有33414人 ...
IS CHINA REALLY A PAPER DRAGON?

Your answer to the question above is in the photo below, staring right at you!  That would be the legacy the present and out-going Chinese leadership is leaving behind to the 1.3 billion Chinese people and the Chinese nation as a whole ...... IN HUMBLE HUMILATION!!!

Where is the SPIRIT of the China's legendary 八路军 gone to?
有精神在中国的传说中的八路军在哪里去了?
Updated: 2012-09-11 02:20 By Li Xiaokun and Zhang Yunbi ( China Daily)

Premier Wen Jiabao said China will "make absolutely no concession" on territory after Japan's decision on Monday to "nationalize" the Diaoyu Islands.


Japanese police on Dioayu islands.




FIRST NATIONS ( LAKOTA PEOPLE ) Heartbreaking - (Google Search for video) "to stay true to who you are. Never allow anyone make you different or think different about what it is you are created to be ...

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