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Obama Won the Debate But Lost the Argument? [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2012-10-5 00:15:31 |Display all floors
whoever think that obama won clearly did not watch the debate. every single news media in america is giving romney the win. the people gave romney the win 3 to 1 ratio.

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Post time 2012-10-5 00:17:49 |Display all floors
Realchina2 Post time: 2012-10-4 23:10
Romney vs Bush.

how would you know. did you not watch the debate. he is going to be 1,000 times better than bush. 2,000 times better than obama.

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Post time 2012-10-5 01:11:21 |Display all floors
the best hope for the world is to punish the lying Republicans .

If America cannot do that, America is finished and will drag the world down with it.


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Post time 2012-10-5 02:11:11 |Display all floors
Lessons from the Presidential Debate

You can always win a debate by denying all the wrongs you said, agreeing with all the rights you have not said, but after the debate is over, people will realize . . . you can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.  But TIME is what Obama does not have going into the election, or does he?  Unless his ads have a split screen showing his opponent saying one thing on one side, and the opposite thing on the other side, he may have no chance at making the people realize they had been given a truckload of sales talk.  There is no doubt what Romney said sounds a lot sweeter than what Obama can offer - medicare without vouchers, balancing the budget with tax cuts for most and increased government spending, etc.   Is this a defect of democracy or its strength?  Does China want to be choosing between an Obama and a Romney in the future?  Or, does it want the kind of leaders it has been having like Deng, Jiang, Hu and Xi?  Will China ever survive such an electoral system with domestic special interests and foreign lobbyists funding their favorite candidates through domestic proxies?

To understand why Obama was not much on the offensive, one has to remember that he was crippled by Biden's untimely gaffe about the middle class being "buried" "repeat, buried" in the past four years (of his presidency).  That gave Obama a lot more things to worry about defending than he originally had to.  Thus his mind was set for defense.

To Romney's credit, he took advantage of Obama's biggest blunder -- trying to defend the false breaches created by his VP -- instead of marshalling his words to focus on the inconsistencies of his opponent's own words.  In short, he should have simply brushed off Biden's statement by saying, "Joe meant, "the last four years of Republican stonewalling in Congress", and he would have won points, as the public is even more fed up with Congress than it is with him or anyone else.  And if his opponent pummels Biden, there is nothing easier to do than to say, "He will have his chance to defend himself in the following Vice-Presidential Debate".  Obama can surive a defeat of Biden, but not necessarily a defeat of himself at the hands of Romney.  In this case, he received substandard coaching.

Now, Obama comes out swinging, "to be president, the American people deserve to be told the truth."  Unfortunately, it comes too little and too late.  And, while many do care for the truth, the opposite may be what they want a lot more.  They want so much to believe.  His dream has hit hard reality.  It is time for Obama to reinvent himself, insist on the truth, fight the untruth, without failing to let his supporters know that his dream is very much alive and well.  Unfortunately, his mandated heath insurance tax on middle class workers who opted not to be insured will never sit well with them.  He should find alternative funding for it, such as through a higher tax on the healthcare or pharmaceutical industry, for example, such that it becomes revenue neutral to the beneficiary, to the industry which benefits from more people insured, and to the government as well.

True, both candidates dislike China deeply.  So, China has no position regarding either one of them.  But if either are truly smart and caring about their economy, befriending China will generate more exports for America and create more jobs at home, than seeking higher tariffs and forced revaluations on China.  China needs America to prosper.  This fundamental link between the two largest economies is the secret to their mutual security and prosperity.



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Post time 2012-10-5 14:34:20 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Eudaimonia at 2012-10-5 15:19
abramicus Post time: 2012-10-5 02:11
Lessons from the Presidential Debate

You can always win a debate by denying all the wrongs you said ...
True, both candidates dislike China deeply.  So, China has no position regarding either one of them.

That's not exactly true. What they said was that they shouldn't borrow more from China and their businesses shouldn't send more factories over there while there's unemployment in the U.S. . That's not disliking China, it's objective thinking that this will lead them over the edge of the cliff if it continues and so it should change as quickly as possible.

Romney almost always interupted and always was allowed to have the last word, this is one of the main ways why he appeared good in this debate. Also, Romney seemed to say the word Jobs a lot. jobs jobs jobs.

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Post time 2012-10-5 15:04:33 |Display all floors
Romney is the equivalent of our Tories and would implement similar economic policy  They haven't worked here and they wouldn't work in the US.

The idea that the private sector would take up the slack where jobs are cut in the public sector is a myth.

Romney would be a disaster for America on every count.
Your own mind is a sacred enclosure into which nothing harmful can enter except by your permission. Arnold Bennett

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Post time 2012-10-5 15:09:26 |Display all floors
abramicus Post time: 2012-10-5 02:11
Lessons from the Presidential Debate

You can always win a debate by denying all the wrongs you said ...

Is the system set up to win the debate and lose the country?

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