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Post time 2012-9-7 18:33:43 |Display all floors
This post was edited by JFenix at 2012-9-7 18:34

Now that both conventions are over, I can't help but to reflect on the deep divisions in my country right now.  Never in history has  it been so bad.  Watching Clinton's speech at the DNC on wednesday reminded me of the qualities that Obama lacked.

Clinton was much better at 'reaching across the aisle' and forging compromises to get things done.  Obama, on the other hand, has taken a different approach and stands firm on certain issues that are hot buttons to the conservative party.  
He is more of a threat to their values and way of thinking.  This has just caused the conservatives to swing more to the right.  I can't believe in 2012, we are still talking about abortion and birth control like it's the 1950's.  Where is all this coming from?  Is it a reaction to the fear of a 'socialist agenda' brought about by Obama's healthcare plan?  I have never seen the parties so radical and so polarized in their approach.

Obama is a big government guy.  I do agree with many of his policies.  My children are benefitting from his reforms in the student loan program and the increase in pell grants.  Because of this, all three of my children are in college now.  They have dreams of a better future.  I agree with his healthcare reforms.  To be honest, I wanted much more, but this is still a step in the right direction.  

But to many americans....it's very radical.  We're not used to using federal dollars in this way.  It goes against a cardinal virture of 'individual responsibility' and picking oneself's up 'by your own bootstraps'.  We are a prideful and stubborn people if truth be told.  Recieving help is a sign of personal weakness.  I do understand the emotion, but the logic just isn't there.  It is more wise to invest in our people in the big scheme of things.

Clinton was a master of making everyone feel like he was on their side....even people who hated him.  He did make a lot of compromises and because of it, despite all the rhetoric about his affairs, he was able to accomplish things in washington.  He had a knack of getting people to do things he wanted by making them feel like that is exactly what they want too.  With Clinton 'ending welfare as we know it', he did gain the support of many republicans.  He threw them many bones.  Obama has not.

So far, the majority of the speeches center around domestic issues.  Surprisingly absent, is talk of foreign policy or current international issues.  We honor our veterans and remind ourselves how many have died and are wounded.  We see countless images of veterans with prostectic limbs.  There is no talk of 'winning' wars, but ending them.  I think this is a consensus on both sides.    There is no more fanning the flames of fear of terrorism for political gain.  Thankfully, those days seemed to have died with Bin Laden.  Now the bogeyman seems to be each other.  How sad.











  
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Post time 2012-9-7 18:42:14 |Display all floors
you can't be serious jfenix?

division?

both parties are financed by AIPAC and work for same people



who financed both parties?

Same people dear and you know it , just follow the money.

Amerikkkkkkkkkka need democracy and multi-party system , Amerikkkkkkkkkkkka need it now and she need it desperately.

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Post time 2012-9-8 01:35:36 |Display all floors
SMITHI Post time: 2012-9-7 18:42
you can't be serious jfenix?

division?

Well the only thing they have argued about over israel is 'who is the better friend'....

Domestically - you can't tell me there isn't deep division.

The republican party has gone mad.
  
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Post time 2012-9-8 02:43:25 |Display all floors
Every party has their share of nutters, but I'd have to agree with JFenix – there is a palatable sense of desperation among the Republicans.  I was over at a friend's house last weekend and as he let an unsolicited phone call go to his answering machine we heard the most venomous attack advert on Obama we've ever heard.  Even beyond the "birther" nonsense typically heard from the paranoids.    It reminds me of some of the desperate diatribes I’ve read on this board, like the ones from those who stand on the k key for 15 seconds while typing the word "America".

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Post time 2012-9-8 03:21:52 |Display all floors
brobostigon Post time: 2012-9-8 02:43
Every party has their share of nutters, but I'd have to agree with JFenix – there is a palatable se ...

  
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Post time 2012-9-8 03:50:26 |Display all floors
JFenix Post time: 2012-9-8 01:35
Well the only thing they have argued about over israel is 'who is the better friend'....

Domestic ...

yes both seem to trying hard to prove friendship to Israel , good observation jfenix.

why is that thou?

why don't both parties try to prove friendship to Kenya for example?

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Post time 2012-9-8 08:21:13 |Display all floors
SMITHI Post time: 2012-9-8 03:50
yes both seem to trying hard to prove friendship to Israel , good observation jfenix.

why is that ...

Why?

Well I support israel because of people like you.

As long as there is rabid anti-joo kooks like yourself calling for their annihilation, american people are going to want to protect them.

Its only right.
  
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