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Should a war be blitzed onto China - will China be ready? [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2011-9-8 12:56:15 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2011-9-8 11:54
Use some "grey matter" my friend.

In a "5 great power" scenerio, any big power contemplating to use "nuclear bombs" on the immediate adversary MUST BE NUTS. It woul ...


As you said China should learn from the past ever since the collapse of the Ming Dynasty where she was the most advance civilization at that time,  with territory even larger than that of the Russian federation at that period, and got defeated due to self incompetency, those mistakes can never repeat itself, which means when it comes to protecting her own national interest, China must and will force a war in situation in which it feels it's sovereignty is being threatened, a lesson learn from history and how foreign powers made use of a divided and military weak and backwards China during the British all the way to Japanese colonialism should never be forgotten, it is said that the Japanese invasion woke up the slumbering Dragon, China might have paid immensely in human capital, but the Japanese invasion reawaken Chinese nationalism and pride, and self identity that was lost to hundreds of years of malaise and ignorance and disunity, Japan in fact did China a huge favor when China was about to break apart on it's own due to civil wars and power struggles, 80% of all Japanese forces was trapped in China and over 2,000,000 of them killed or captured in the resulting Chinese offensive, so China bore the largest chunk of the brunt of Japanese aggression by far during the second world war, with over 20 million civilians massacred, but saved the other Asian countries and the Americans for that matter from having to endure a far more catastrophic war or the full brunt of the Japanese forces.

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Post time 2011-9-8 12:56:36 |Display all floors
As you said China should learn from the past ever since the collapse of the Ming Dynasty where she was the most advance civilization at that time,  with territory even larger than that of the Russian federation at that period, and got defeated due to self incompetency, those mistakes can never repeat itself, which means when it comes to protecting her own national interest, China must and will force a war in situation in which it feels it's sovereignty is being threatened, a lesson learn from history and how foreign powers made use of a divided and military weak and backwards China during the British all the way to Japanese colonialism should never be forgotten, it is said that the Japanese invasion woke up the slumbering Dragon, China might have paid immensely in human capital, but the Japanese invasion reawaken Chinese nationalism and pride, and self identity that was lost to hundreds of years of malaise and ignorance and disunity, Japan in fact did China a huge favor when China was about to break apart on it's own due to civil wars and power struggles, 80% of all Japanese forces was trapped in China and over 2,000,000 of them killed or captured in the resulting Chinese offensive, so China bore the largest chunk of the brunt of Japanese aggression by far during the second world war, with over 20 million civilians massacred, but saved the other Asian countries and the Americans for that matter from having to endure a far more catastrophic war or the full brunt of the Japanese forces.

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Post time 2011-9-10 05:41:10 |Display all floors
Originally posted by itstime at 2011-9-5 21:59
I know a lot of military personel here in the states and a lot of them are predicting war with China , most claim that China will consume more then it has and will proceed to harrass other Asian na ...


You don't know anybody anywhere.....The US and China will never be at War.....What's China going to bomb 25,000 WalMart stores
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Post time 2011-9-10 13:55:24 |Display all floors

Reply #32 snappysammy's post

Avoid accidental incidents, Mr. sammy!

Have safeguards talks.

cheerios!

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Post time 2011-9-11 20:48:42 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2011-9-7 13:02
One way the "enemies of China" could do "WITHOUT" expansion of their military budget

................is to create a MULTI NATIONAL force, to reduce the expense of a "pla ...




I said it and I'll say it again , if the Chinese people don't seek war , they will not be prepared when the time arrives.  War is not fair and war doesn't just simply reveal itself as a formal instigation , you will be at war and not even know it.  

You don't want to go to war so you state military statistics in supplies and regional mobilization that China has massed up , this shows me that even after the suffering of your ancestors you , even as yet , don't want to go to war.  How many generations of suffering must there be for the Chinese to wake up , again , most of you are still like dumb cows and if you continue to deny reality , China will eventually be exploited .

With the right strategic moves , all of your weapons and peoples will be deemed as null

- the Mongols took over the Tanguts - perhaps at the pinnacle of Chinese sophistication and prowess - they did this with pinpoint and accurate execution of good military strategy.  

- The English had the same elements in their approach , except that it was slower , attack the flank and progress from there , the Chinese with all of their superstitious confidence suffered repeatedly .

- The Japanese blitzed China with ease , the Chinese didn't even realize that in the military logistic sense , that they were taken over.  

War is like a chess match in most cases and it will always be. China has been taken over numerous times (some not mentioned above)  by smaller foes with brilliant moves and timing.   This was the central mistake by the U.S. with their handling of Vietnam , they wanted brute force and denied the utility of strategy , well strategy was important and they eventually had to face it.  

With the right moves at the right time , China will be taken over - easily. Doesn't matter how much weapons China has or mobilization capacity.  Whoever it is , will assess the foundations of the Chinese military , then they'll pick the right moves and manuveurs and weapons , it'll be a swoop.  There's always room for brilliance in war , and brilliant will be the takeover of China.   

There are easy ways for everything , remember when the U.S. figured out the Japanese code , the Japanese were done the minute that their code was revealed.  

The Chinese , like you , are deluding themselves into why they don't need war.  Probably along the same lines of why Southern China ate bugs and celebrated the North being  raped and offended by the Japanese as if it were all fireworks.  You're all a bunch of diseased cows , incapable of realizing anything.  

Keep eating your bugs and celebrating your fireworks , China won't even realize it's been taken over . Again , war and takeover have no formal form , it will happen in a very subtle fashion and China will not realize it because you're all diseased.  Your ancestors were diseased and so are you.    And this time , you will truly become slaves for the sin of  not acknowledging and honoring the sufferings of your ancestors.  But not to worry , you'll still have your bugs and fireworks.

China MUST wakeup , and not be sleeping , when the next takeover comes.

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Post time 2011-9-13 12:24:29 |Display all floors

Reply #34 itstime's post

The world is pretty over crowded nowadays.

China will find it hard to find a LOW TECH, STONE AGE cunt-try to invade!
Down South West, it's a over populated Sub continent with a population density 3X of China.
- Invading those cunt-try is rather silly, in the end China would have to deliver aid to FEED their teeming millions.

On the West of China lies the heavily nuclear armed Russian Federation.
- invading such a country would invite "tactical nuclear" retaliation.

On the East is Japan & Korea.
- invading these countries will INVITE United States interference. Besides, both of these states have a large arsenal - it could be quite nasty.

On the South East lays Taiwan and the other South East Asian States.
- fighting a war there will invite SANCTIONS on China's trade, and would mean long drawn out battles with 0.5 generation better supplied weapons. The South East Asian + Taiwan states will also be supported by the European Union, British Commonwealth and probably the United States.

Rather a NON FEASIBLE proposal.

Then we have Africa, Latin America BUT China does not have a "expeditionary force" projection capability at the moment. It would need to have allies in Africa or Latin America before it can conduct a war.

Maybe, China can consider conquering some Indian ocean or Pacific ocean islands or coral outcrops.......

ha ha ha

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Post time 2011-9-13 17:56:06 |Display all floors

#35 Greendragon

There is no reason for china to invade

1)  South West
2)  No reason to invade russian federation (current allies)
3)  Why invade Japand and Korea? . both are in their historical positions now ... (just a note: i was in South korea a while back and picked up a newspaper with some poll stats ... it asked south koreans who they would kill in an even of a war .. a north korean or an amerian soldier . .over 50% said they will kill the american instead of their own .. so i asked my friend the same question .. the same result ... this young man .. said he WILL kill an american .. so much for allies . .eh?)
4)  South East Asia ... why invade? i mean really ... first of all . .the overseas chinese own just about 80% of these countries economy .. including Vietnam before the war .... and they have so much economic links ... and just because Vietnam wants to go to war . .doesn't mean the rest of SEA wants to join .. and as for Taiwan .. who wants to risk political suicide by siding with foreigners against the chinese ??? more then anything if war does break out with China and Vietnam .. don't be surprised to see the Taiwanese bombing Vietnamese targets !!!

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