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Post time 2011-4-14 07:32:48 |Display all floors
Originally posted by GoChina888 at 2011-4-14 04:50

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Okay, so you are telling me you respect those 'values'?

It's okay with you that women are beaten on the street?

It's just culture?

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Post time 2011-4-14 08:04:47 |Display all floors
Give the Afghan government enough cash, weapons and trained personnel and they will win. Just because Afghanistan has a reputation it doesn't mean anything...people will choose the side with the goods (food, water, shelter, jobs) and the Taliban is running out of those things fast. Sure a lot of coalition forces will die, but it doesn't mean a thing.

Soviet casualties after 10 years: 14,453

Coalition casualties after 9 1/2 years: 2,323

That doesn't really look like they're losing to me.

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Post time 2011-4-14 09:10:39 |Display all floors
Originally posted by Tremblingblue at 14-4-2011 10:04
Give the Afghan government enough cash, weapons and trained personnel and they will win. Just because Afghanistan has a reputation it doesn't mean anything...people will choose the side with the go ...


winning and losing comes in many shades of pale.

You raise the issue of Russia and their eventual withdrawl from Afghanistan.

But you fail to qualify the circumstances that are in fact absent with the US/NATO invasion.

When the Russians went into Afghanistan it was at the invitation of the Afghan Government - both countries having been party to a "friendship agreement" which they ratified in Dec. 1978.

This prompted a kneejerk reaction from the USA and the US President (Carter) commenced covert funding of insurgents against the Government of Afghanistan in July 1979.

The object being to drag the Soviet Union into a long and costly conflict in an effort to place strain on Soviet finances.

As the Soviets sent in more troops and equipment to stem the US sponsored insurgency the US expanded its covert activity involving the UK, Israel and Egypt - the real figures on US black money poured into the conflict is not in the public domain but the massive amounts poured in through congressional vote is - and it shows just how much the zionist regime wanted to stop the Soviets from gaining a hold over the Middle East oil.

To compare the casualty figures between then and now is ridiculous - for a starter the Soviets themselves were doing the bulk of the fighting not some Afghan "alliance" with massive air cover that the US used - and the Taliban were a much smaller force to confront than the massive force of mujihadeen that the US funded and supplied through the massive system of training bases in Pakistan.

There is a very big difference in the tactical situation in Afghanistan today than there was when the Soviets were involved - the freedom fighters today are fighting in virtual isolation - with a small amount of arms reaching them from the outside whereas during the Soviet time the insurgents had massive logistical support - the fighters were well armed by the US with soviet made weapons at first then with an increasing amount of US arms/communications equipment and a lot of US Special Forces on the ground with them.

The Taliban have none of that and are still able to resist the overwhelming might of the worlds most high tech military machine - still fighting and still killing invaders - and killing them in ever increasing numbers without having the luxury of the support given the opponents of the Soviets.

That is a shade of pale far from victory - in fact the victory is with the Taliban for being able to survive as a fighting force in spite of the massive amount of money and equipment sent against them.........

Is it that the Taliban are so good or is it that the amerikans are so bad????????

Anyway TB - get your facts straight and stop listening to the propaganda of your zionist regime......
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Post time 2011-4-14 09:55:36 |Display all floors
Originally posted by kongque at 14-4-2011 01:10


winning and losing comes in many shades of pale.

You raise the issue of Russia and their eventual withdrawl from Afghanistan.

But you fail to qualify the circumstances that are in fact ab ...


Statistically, this war isn't that big or harsh. The only problem is that the Taliban are not a uniformed force and operate the same way the IRA did...it's an insurgency. The Taliban has no real legitimate outside support and even if they secure land it has to be self sustaining or they're doomed. There's no funding. They're using ancient weapons and degraded explosives, their main weapon being their guise.

The Afghan government is universally recognised - it can trade, modernise and create jobs. The more powerful it gets, the less powerful the Taliban get. Why? Because the Afghan people just want to survive as well as they can do. I think you'll find that even if the Coalition leaves, the Afghan government will still be able to survive.

The attacks that have been seen in the last 5 years have pretty much been small skirmishes, booby traps and ambushes. Nothing on the scale of a large, committed and organised force. They're just squabbling warlords using volunteers from Pakistan and neighbouring Muslim states, and that alone shows lack of support within the nation. There's 150,000 serving men and women in the Afghan army...how many Taliban are there? I don't think nearly as much, because yet again, they can't commit a large force.

Accuse me of listening to Zionist news (whatever, you're just a bigot anyway), but military history and facts say more than your "thoughts"

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Post time 2011-4-14 09:56:39 |Display all floors
Originally posted by kongque at 14-4-2011 01:10


winning and losing comes in many shades of pale.

You raise the issue of Russia and their eventual withdrawl from Afghanistan.

But you fail to qualify the circumstances that are in fact ab ...


Statistically, this war isn't that big or harsh. The only problem is that the Taliban are not a uniformed force and operate the same way the IRA did...it's an insurgency. The Taliban has no real legitimate outside support and even if they secure land it has to be self sustaining or they're doomed. There's no funding. They're using ancient weapons and degraded explosives, their main weapon being their guise.

The Afghan government is universally recognised - it can trade, modernise and create jobs. The more powerful it gets, the less powerful the Taliban get. Why? Because the Afghan people just want to survive as well as they can do. I think you'll find that even if the Coalition leaves, the Afghan government will still be able to survive.

The attacks that have been seen in the last 5 years have pretty much been small skirmishes, booby traps and ambushes. Nothing on the scale of a large, committed and organised force. They're just squabbling warlords using volunteers from Pakistan and neighbouring M-sl-m states, and that alone shows lack of support within the nation. There's 150,000 serving men and women in the Afghan army...how many Taliban are there? I don't think nearly as much, because yet again, they can't commit a large force.

Accuse me of listening to Zionist news (whatever, you're just a bigot anyway), but military history and facts say more than your "thoughts"

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Post time 2011-4-14 10:25:59 |Display all floors
Originally posted by Tremblingblue at 14-4-2011 11:56


Statistically, this war isn't that big or harsh. The only problem is that the Taliban are not a uniformed force and operate the same way the IRA did...it's an insurgency. The Taliban has no rea ...



you have no idea what I am TB - you only think you can label me - and of course your lack of education leads you to apply the incorrect label - the only thing I am intollerant of is idiots like you which is a far cry from making me a "bigot" .........

yes the Taliban were smart enough not to stand toe to toe and be annihilated by the stand off high tech weapons of amerika - and the Afghans are masters at fighting a long protracted guerilla war - dressed in their traditional garb.

and of course you think the US/NATO troops are marching down the middle of the road dressed in full uniform???? Sorry to disappoint you dude but that's just for the cameras - most of the active seek and kill is done by people dressed just as the Afghans dress.

but sadly you miss the point as usual. the taliban won this war the day the amerikans invaded - the Afghan poodle government has no or very little power outside of the few towns and cities where they have large numbers of troops- despite the billions of dollars used to try to buy the Afghan people the US is no further advanced on providing a solid stable government there than they are toward putting men on the moon..........
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Post time 2011-4-14 10:33:00 |Display all floors

why so slow mods??

nothing harmfull
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