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Post time 2007-10-4 10:40:30 |Display all floors
Originally posted by interesting at 2007-9-18 13:59
Seneca,

That major reason not to talk to bin Laden or others like him is not that they're terrorists or brutal but that there isn't anything that could be gained in discussion with them. Arafat, ...



For once at least I fully agree with you.

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Post time 2007-10-4 12:59:13 |Display all floors
Satsu,

See, I'm not a terrible person.
"Justice prevails... evil justice."

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Post time 2007-10-6 03:23:14 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2007-9-17 20:21
And why shouldn't he be talked to? The world has been talking to other unsavoury chaps, some of whom are still nominal and de jure heads of state. The crimes committed in the name of their countries will always go unpunished and the guys themselves cash in royalties from the sale of their memoirs.
(...) Osama Bin-Ladin is only one of many of our adversaries we helped create in the first place.
Maybe he is our worst enemy - but we also are HIS worst enemies.


<Cold Laughter>  My dear seneca, do keep in mind that once upon a time Mr. Bin-Laden, like Mr. Hussein and Mr. Noeriga, was an ally to the U.S. in the Cold War.  When the Cold War ended, they lost their sugar daddy and turned to other means of finance (whether it was drugs, guns, or acquiring 'new resources') which drove them into conflict with their old ally.

It is a lesson that is old as politics, your friend today can be your mortal enemy tomorrow.  Mr. Bin-Laden has felt betrayed by the U.S. and will stop at nothing until he has his revenge for the slight.  Given the fact that Mr. Hussein dangled from a rope and Mr. Noeriga was a guest of the state for 10+ years - I figure Mr. Bin-Laden's fate will lie somewhere between being executed by beheading in Saudi Arabia and getting life in prison in a Pelican Bay type facility somewhere in America.
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Post time 2007-12-28 05:24:46 |Display all floors
Think we should stop fight them also, at least openly and only monitor their doings on our land as far as possible, as any other crime... The war on terror! It's stupid!! It's just a showoff, an illusion that we're doing something. Eventually it will backfire... Should focus our energy on something else, like helping out Africa, ending poverty. Completily ignore them. Sooner or later they'll get bored and chop bin Laden into pieces themselves

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Post time 2007-12-30 07:01:43 |Display all floors
Time to talk to Al Qaida?

Well, bin laden just had a new statement issued that again clearly shows his true intentions. Rather than talking to al qaida it would be better to intensify the efforts to catch the snake head.



By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer
22 minutes ago



CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden warned Iraq's Sunni Arabs against fighting al-Qaida and vowed to expand the terror group's holy war to Israel in a new audiotape Saturday, threatening "blood for blood, destruction for destruction."

Most of the 56-minute tape dealt with Iraq, apparently al-Qaida's latest attempt to keep supporters in Iraq unified at a time when the U.S. military claims to have al-Qaida's Iraq branch on the run.

The tape did not mention Pakistan or the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, though Pakistan's government has blamed al-Qaida and the Taliban for her death on Thursday. That suggested the tape was made before the assassination.

Bin Laden's comments offered an unusually direct attack on Israel, stepping up al-Qaida's attempts to use the Israeli-Arab conflict to rally supporters. Israel has warned of growing al-Qaida activity in Palestinian territory, though terror network is not believed to have taken a strong role there so far.

"We intend to liberate Palestine, the whole of Palestine from the (Jordan) river to the sea," he said, threatening "blood for blood, destruction for destruction."

"We will not recognize even one inch for Jews in the land of Palestine as other Muslim leaders have," bin Laden said.

In Iraq, a number of Sunni Arab tribes in western Anbar province have formed a coalition fighting al-Qaida-linked insurgents that U.S. officials credit for deeply reducing violence in the province. The U.S. military has been working to form similar "Awakening Councils" in other areas of Iraq.

Bin Laden said Sunni Arabs who have joined the Awakening Councils "have betrayed the nation and brought disgrace and shame to their people. They will suffer in life and in the afterlife."

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said bin Laden's tape shows that al-Qaida's aim is to block democracy and freedom for all Iraqis.

"It also reminds us that the mission to defeat al-Qaida in Iraq is critically important and must succeed," Fratto said. "The Iraqi people — every day, and in increasing numbers — are choosing freedom and standing against the murderous, hateful ideology of AQI. And we stand with them."

Several hours before the tape was issued, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, said al-Qaida was becoming increasingly fearful of losing the support of Sunni Arabs and had begun targeting the leaders of the Awakening Councils.

Petraeus said al-Qaida attaches "enormous importance" to "these tribes that have turned against them, and to the general sense that Sunni Arab communities have rejected them more and more around Iraq."

"They are trying to counter this and they have done so by attacking them," which is increasingly turning Sunnis against al-Qaida, he said.

In the audiotape, bin Laden denounced Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, the former leader of the Anbar Awakening Council, who was killed in a September bombing claimed by al-Qaida.

"The most evil of the traitors are those who trade away their religion for the sake of their mortal life," bin Laden said.

Bin Laden said U.S. and Iraqi officials are seeking to set up a "national unity government" joining the country's Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds.

"Our duty is to foil these dangerous schemes, which try to prevent the establishment of an Islamic state in Iraq, which would be a wall of resistance against American schemes to divide Iraq," he said.

He called on Iraq's Sunni Arabs to rally behind the Islamic State of Iraq, the insurgent umbrella group led by al-Qaida. Besides the Awakening Councils, some Sunni insurgent groups that continue to fight the Americans have rejected the Islamic State.

Bin Laden said Sunnis should pledge their allegiance to Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, the little known "emir" or leader of the Islamic State of Iraq. U.S. officials have claimed that al-Baghdadi does not exist, saying al-Qaida created the name to give its coalition the illusion of an Iraqi leadership.

"Failure to give allegiance to the emir after he has been endorsed leads to great evils," bin Laden warned. "Emir Abu Omar would rather have his neck severed than betray the Muslims ... Emir Abu Omar and his brothers are not one of those who accept compromise or meeting the enemy halfway."

The authenticity of the tape could not be independently confirmed. But the voice resembled that of bin Laden. The tape was posted on an Islamic militant Web site where al-Qaida's media arm, Al-Sahab, issues the group's messages.

The tape was the fifth message released by bin Laden this year, a flurry of activity after he went more than a year without issuing any tapes. The messages began with a Sept. 8 video that showed bin Laden for the first time in nearly three years. The other messages this year have been audiotapes.

In an October tape, bin Laden sought to patch up splits between Iraqi insurgent factions, urging them to unite with the Islamic State of Iraq — the insurgent coalition led by al-Qaida. He took a conciliatory stance, chiding even al-Qaida's followers for being too "extremist" in their positions toward other insurgents.

Bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahri took a sharper tone in a Dec. 16 video, branding as "traitors" those who work with the anti-Qaida tribal councils and calling for Sunnis to purge anyone cooperating with the Americans.

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Post time 2008-1-1 17:59:23 |Display all floors

Time to Talk , full stop .

Negotiation is a lost art . A good number of wars would have or could have been prevented if only opposing parties can sit at a table and talk . Many a shooting conflict can also be shortened and lives saved if talking at a table is the norm rather than the exception .

To discuss, air grievances , to protest and to negotiate is not the same as surrender ! To persist and insist adhering to the " No talk " strategy , one needs to forever increase the rhetoric and the justification that one side has the monopoly of being right and therefore has no room to move . Corollary to that of course is the " enemy " is unreasonable , fanatical and has nothing to say or offer .  This is the scenario too often seen today and the wars and carnage are fueled by righteous indignation on BOTH sides .

Civilized society , with educated people and leaders should dare and care to negotiate . No pre-conditions attached , everything on the table.  Usually the final outcome is a concession movement by BOTH sides away from their former , crusading and justified stands.

Perhaps we just do not have the leaders in this category . Who is a true statesman with wide vision on the political stage today ?  Your guess is as good as mine .  More the pity .  

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Post time 2008-1-1 18:05:29 |Display all floors
Originally posted by mengzhi at 2008-1-1 17:59
Negotiation is a lost art . A good number of wars would have or could have been prevented if only opposing parties can sit at a table and talk . Many a shooting conflict can also be s ...


Unfortunately, its not the American way!
They don't know how to talk like civilized beings.
You just have to listen to the Frat boys speaking to know what I mean.

Also, their military need to justify the spending of those bilions upon billions of dollars.

On the other hand, China showed them how to talk to the North Koreans.

[ Last edited by changabula at 2008-1-1 06:08 PM ]
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