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Did Cho Seung-Hui have Asperger Syndrome [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2007-4-23 08:50:05 |Display all floors
In the wake of the horrible tragedy at Virginia Tech, we all want to point fingers at the "cause" -- was it because he was an immigrant? was it because his parents neglected him? was it because he was a loner, an outcast? was it because he was bullied in high school? was it because of his addiction to violent computer games and Korean movies? was it because of the violent American culture? was it because of Hollywood?  was it because of it being too easy to buy guns in America? was it because he was Korean?

Many questions, and perhaps a thread of truth in all of them.

However, it is extremely likely that Cho suffered from a neurobiological disorder called Asperger Syndrome (sometimes Asperger's Syndrome) that is sometimes associated with high-functioning Autism.  The sad thing is that most educators are not very familiar with this syndrome, and Cho's teachers up through high school may have simply assumed his problems were language related (had to learn English) or because of his frustrations in learning the culture.

Oasis Website

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

The Source
http://www.asperger.org/MAAP_Sub ... yn_Lord_Article.htm

Korean site
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2007042303918

Here are the common traits of Asperger Syndrome, and you can see, from accounts from family, roommates, teachers, and classmates how Cho's behavior patterns fit the characteristics of this disease.

1.  Problems in Social & Communication Skills
        -don’t read social cues
        -behavior that is often considered rude or inappropriate
        -perceive the world very differently
        -may take longer to learn how to speak
        -often strange sounding speech (monotone, funny “accent”)
        -vocabulary often quite rich, but may have difficulty using language
                       appropriately in a social context
        -fail to develop normal relationships and friendships with youth their own  age – in fact, may not even have an interest in doing so – many actually avoid contact with others, even family
        -not able to respond in the usual, normal way socially and emotionally
        -socially inept
        -focus on small details – fail to see big picture on what is going on around them

(Cho's relatives spoke of him beling very slow to speak, and even when he did learn to speak, as a young child, he rarely did so.  His high school classmates spoke of his strange sounding speech -- they attributed it to his "Chinese" accent.  His roommates and classmates spoke of how he almost never said anything, ever.  College acquaintances spoke of how he rarely opened up, even when they invited him to have lunch or go to parties and the like.  His classmates and teachers spoke of how his behavior in class made them feel uncomfortable.  Cho had a rich vocabulary -- he tended to use old-fashioned words, like debauchery, which are not common for college kids to use)

2.  prefer (even obsessed) with routine

(Cho's roommates said he went to bed at 9 every night, and usually got up at the same time every morning, and had a precise morning routine)

3. may become obsessed with something (computer games, et al)

(Cho's high school acquaintances said he was addicted to violent computer games. He likely was also a fan of violent Korean films)

4.  Normal IQ – excellent memory --  may excel in certain areas such as math, computers & science

(Cho apparently did ok in school -- he always attended class and turned in assignments on time)

5.  Tend to be naïve with regard to real world.  May tend to live in a fantasy world.

(Cho's plays indicate a certain naivite.  His roommates said he had an imaginary girlfriend named "Jelly")

6.  Usually regarded as odd or eccentric

(definitely the case with Cho)

7.  Very often the target of teasing or bullying

(this occurred with Cho in high school.  We should point out, however, that even had he stayed in Korea, he probably would also have been the target of teasing and bullying because of his strange behavior, not fitting in with the norm)

8. Don’t look people in the eye, may even turn away when others look at them,  and may have a strange vacant stare

(Cho wore sunglasses and hat to hide his face when attending class.  His roommate spoke of his strange stare.  Many spoke of how he looked away or even avoided people when they greeted him)

9.  Often physically awkward or clumsy

10.  Affects boys more often than girls (10 times more likely). May affect Asian males more frequently than other races (especially Korea and Japan – first diagnosed in Japan)

11.  Tend to have an extremely high frustration level, and may exhibit temper tantrums and violent, disruptive behavior

(it has been reported that Cho had violent temper tantrums directed at his sister)

12.  Usually immature for their age

(this is obvious in his plays he wrote)

13.  Persecution complex – may have feeling they are being treated badly by others, even family

(once again, obvious in his "manifestos" left behind)

14.  Spend a lot of time daydreaming, thinking up grand plans to do something dramatic

(pretty obvious, from his final actions)


There are some treatments in behavior modification that parents can use to deal with kids with this syndrome.  The Korean website said it can be "cured" in about 3 years (although I doubt that).  Medication may help.  Children with this syndrome may do much better homeschooled rather than in regular school

[ Last edited by karenb at 2007-4-23 09:09 AM ]

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He had a sister named Sun,  this works nicely in the Korean community but it is just misunderstood buy children with "western background".  He lived in the Korean community until college and his life changed with every day away from the Korean style of life,  he comes from a very large Korean American community with super markets schools churches everything even radio and television stations , his life in Blacksburg was not the same.  There is much more to tell about his life and I hope people don't jump to conclusions from some text that doesn't include the Social phenomenon.

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Post time 2007-4-23 13:56:47 |Display all floors
Actually Americans deserve it. They are very rude to foreign students, especially from Asian countries.

Very often, they always make fun of foreign students by laughing at them and calling them names, such as "chinks" or "moron". To make matters worse, they will not hesitate to tell foreign students to go back to their own countries or simply "go home".

When Americans travel abroad, they are welcome everywhere, including China. But, when Chinese students or tourists travel there, they are subjected to discrimination.

It really serves them right for their arrogance and Muslims are correct in killing them everywhere.

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Post time 2007-4-23 14:03:32 |Display all floors
First of all yellowfish **** you.

Second, none of the victims deserved it simply because they had no connection with Cho in any form or way. There is absolutely no justifcation for what he did as these were all innocent students not to mention some were not even 'Americans'. Bear in mind what you said makes you a complete racist not to mention having an inferior complex toward Americans so stop being such a blatant hypocrite.

Lastly, **** off
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Post time 2007-4-23 14:09:38 |Display all floors
eyeofstorm, XXXX you too.

This shows your arrogance and your destructive nature based on your name.

XXXX you again and go home with your wacky brain.

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Post time 2007-4-23 14:25:50 |Display all floors

cultural problems and bullies

From what I understand, Brokenheart, the high school that Cho attended was predominantly White students.  The neighborhood in which he lived with his familywas ethnically mixed, but not necessarily Korean American.  Also, his problems did not begin when he entered university life -- even his relatives in Korea described communication problems and violent tantrums directed toward his older sister.

Yellowfish,  students in America do indeed tease and occasionally bully foreign students.  Not just foreign students, any students they perceive as being "different."  This, in my mind, is a serious problem that school administrators have not given enough attention to, and do little or nothing to correct.  

However, I should point out that what you said about Chinese always being polite to foreigners is NOT true --  sometimes true, but not always.  I can't tell you how many times I or my children have been walking down the street to hear the taunting cries of children, laughing and pointing, and shouting "Lao Wai!!!."   And not necessarily just the children, but often the adults make comments about the size of our breasts or bottoms, and other rude comments.  My own children were enrolled in Chinese school for some time, and did not receive any negative treatment from their schoolmates (in fact, they were quite popular), but other foreign children here in children have been treated very badly by their schoolmates simply for being foreign and "different."   

In fact, I would guess that if Cho were in his own native Korea, (or even if he were Chinese and living in China), he would have still received teasing and bullying from classmates, because aside from being ethnically different, he had very strange mannerisms that would have set him apart and made him a target.

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Post time 2007-4-23 14:46:08 |Display all floors

Analysis from a sick fanatic

http://www.bosnewslife.com/news/ ... hui-like-jesus-chri

Virginia Killer Cho Seung-Hui Like Jesus Christ

Friday, 20 April 2007
By BosNewsLife News Center
  VIRGINIA, USA (BosNewsLife/Christian Newswire) -- Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui claimed he was like Christ. Worldwide minister Paul Davis examines the spiritual forces that motivated this murderer.



Paul Davis has extensive experience dealing with demon possession, mind renewal, inward
transformation, and helping confused individuals become integrated and congruent. Paul's ability to move in the supernatural power of God to break demonic influences destroying human beings has impacted people on every continent.

"If God does not touch our feelings, the devil will. Religion that is cold as ice is never nice. The Church was meant to be a lifeboat, not a pleasure boat. If we do not rescue the perishing, we will need rescuing ourselves." - Paul F. Davis.

Cho's deceptive decline and the critical components that led to him being overtaken by demons were:

CHO A SILENT ISOLATED LONER

"Isolation is the breeding ground for deception. The devil preys on the weak and works on people when they are alone. The first banana that gets peeled is the one that separates from the bunch. Idle time is the devil's playground." Paul F. Davis.

Satan is the father of lies, spewing falsities and accusations. Falsities belittle a person and diminish their self-esteem, while accusations get them to question who they are.

"There are three origins of voices: God, man, and the devil. Isolated individuals often cannot differentiate between the voices they hear and often internally take ownership of them as their own. Internalizing and taking personal ownership of demonic voice's directives can be both deceptive and deadly." - Paul F. Davis.

CHO JEALOUS AND ENVIOUS

Cho left an angry note in his dorm against rich kids and women. Jealousy is the rage of a man and envy like rottenness in the bones (Proverbs 6:34; 14:30). Cho was eaten up with jealousy and envy, which at its peak propelled his fit of rage.

CHO SUICIDAL

He had mentioned committing suicide to his roommates. The devil was certainly working overtime to kill, steal, and destroy this young man.

Jesus warned of a day when people would kill in the name of God and claim they are serving Him. Those who kill don't know God (John 16:1-3; Exodus 20:13).

"The eyes are the window of the soul. Cho Seung-Hui's eyes revealed there was another resident occupying and possessing him. Cho's dull eyes displayed an absence of life and abandonment. His body was the host and the demons the parasitical inhabitants, which clearly spoke through him during his video manifesto mentioning 'my children, my brothers and sisters' of which there was no factual basis. Cho's deep sense of self-hatred and disregard for
human life manifested in his angry creative writing.

CHO HAD NO VALUES AND FAITH  

He seems to have been troubled about religion and American values. He railed against snobs, debauchery, and deceitful charlatans on campus.

Unsure of his beliefs, what little Cho knew he twisted and perverted. The strange inscription on one of his arms -- the words "ISMAIL AX" in red ink, referenced the near sacrifice of Abraham's son Isaac before God intervened. Apparently Cho identified with the ideal of sacrifice, though this truth he distorted and grossly perverted in his interpretation of Scripture and intention to kill.

God wants people to be living sacrifices not dead ones (Romans 12:1-2). Sadly Satan knows and quotes the Bible more than most Christians (Matthew 4:5-6). The devil twisted the sacred text and Cho right along with it.

"We cannot pretend demons don't exist. Demoniacs and troubled youth like Cho Seung-Hui are labeled weird, but they must be liberated by God's love and power. Mary Magdalene was packing seven devils before Jesus unloaded her baggage. Jesus commanded His disciples to cast out devils, not create denominations!" - Paul F. Davis.

CHO HAD NO FRIENDS

When Simon the sorcerer tried to buy the gift of God with money, the apostle Peter rebuked him for such a wicked thought as his heart was not right in the sight of God (Acts 8:9-25).

The apostle Paul told Elymas the sorcerer he was full of all subtlety and mischief, a child of the devil, an enemy of all righteousness, and one who perverted the right ways of the Lord (Acts 13:6-12).

Cho desperately needed someone to compassionately confront him and walk with him out of isolation. "Though Cho believed in Christ, his heart was not right in the sight of God. Instead of dealing with his own unfinished business and issues, Cho in his pride was silently accusatory and murderous. Disassociating from and projecting his pain on to others, Cho was never made whole himself."

"Cho's unresolved anger, inner hurts, and wounds left him suseptible to demonic attack. Isolated and dwelling in darkness within, demons feasted upon him like buzzards on a decaying carcass. His fragile and shattered identity unattended to combined with demonic activity led Cho to a deadly destiny. Our society desperately needs a powerful spirituality capable of restoring people's identity and driving out the devils lodged internally."
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