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Post time 2006-11-7 05:16:44 |Display all floors
Originally posted by whampoa at 6-11-2006 08:46 PM
Yes, FREE Saddam (and not hang him) to rule in Iraq and see that PEACE in Iraq will restore and deaths cease.

Oh dear ... Posting here at 4:30am again? How very very sad.

Most normal people who have better things to do - like sleep, for example. If you suffer from insomnia, see a doctor.

So you support Saddam and his crimes? What next for you, a holiday in North Korea? I guess you like dictators who rule through oppression, fear and force?

Go and read up on what Saddam did under his regime. How ignorant you seem to be ....

Why not move from Singapore to Iraq or North Korea and show solidarity with the people? Hmmm .....

Not surprisingly you support flotsam, ooops, I mean jetsam
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Post time 2006-11-7 05:30:19 |Display all floors
Looks like these Saddam-apologists need a new home ...

Perhaps Iran? Kurdistan? Kuwait? Would they be welcome there with their "We support Saddam" t-shirts?

Whampy and jetsam ... now there's a happy couple

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Post time 2006-11-7 11:14:51 |Display all floors

From the NY Times...

Hussein Trial Was Flawed but Reasonably Fair, and Verdict Was Justified, Legal Experts Say

The yearlong trial that ended yesterday with a sentence of death by hanging for Saddam Hussein had serious legal flaws that left doubts about whether he was allowed to present a full defense, international legal experts said.

Lawyers and human rights advocates broadly agreed that the Iraqi tribunal’s proceedings frequently fell short of international standards for war crimes cases. But even critics of the trial said the five Iraqi judges who heard the case had made a reasonable effort to conduct a fair trial in the face of sustained pressure from Iraqi political leaders for a swift death sentence. American lawyers pointed to substantial evidence offered by the prosecution implicating Mr. Hussein in the crimes against humanity with which he had been charged.

“Did this meet the standards of international justice?” asked Jonathan Drimmer, who teaches war crimes law at Georgetown University Law Center in Washington. “The answer is no. But to look at the ultimate verdict, it certainly is consistent with the evidence presented.”

Miranda Sissons, a senior associate at the International Center for Transitional Justice, a group that has severely criticized some of the trial proceedings, said, “This was not a sham trial,” and added, “The judges are doing their best to try this case to an entirely new standard for Iraq.”

Mr. Hussein was accused along with seven co-defendants in the executions of 148 men and boys in Dujail, 35 miles north of Baghdad, in 1982. The mass killings came after what was said to be an assassination attempt against the Iraqi leader.

Whether the trial is seen to have been fair is a vital issue for the United States-backed Iraqi government. When the tribunal was created in December 2003, American and Iraqi officials hoped that it would advance the justice system in Iraq, left moribund under Mr. Hussein, and would help bring some reconciliation between the majority Shiites and minority Sunnis.

Since then the country has descended into factional strife. The trial was fair enough to justify the elation yesterday among Iraqis who suffered under Mr. Hussein’s rule but also had enough defects that Mr. Hussein’s Sunni supporters, who dominated his government, could still contend that it had been victor’s justice, as Mr. Hussein’s defense lawyers, led by Khalil al-Dulaimi, said yesterday.

The trial was troubled by extreme security issues. Three defense lawyers were assassinated.

Critics cited frequent efforts by Iraqi officials to speed up the trial and influence its outcome. The first chief judge, Rizgar Muhammad Amin, an Iraqi Kurd, resigned in January, saying he was tired of criticism from top Iraqi officials of his handling of the case. A second judge who was in line to succeed him was barred from becoming chief judge because he was said to have had ties to Mr. Hussein’s Baath Party, said human rights advocates who have been following the trial.

“The message by politicians and the executive has been quite unambiguously that if the judges do not do what public expectation demands, they will be in trouble,” Ms. Sissons said. “Iraqi officials have sent the message, ‘We can reach into this court.’ ”

Raouf Rasheed Abdel-Rahman, who took over as chief judge and presided to the end, was much less tolerant than his predecessor of outbursts by the defendants, who challenged the legitimacy of the court. The chief judge frequently allowed the prosecutor, Jaafar al-Mousawi, to summon evidence and witnesses without first showing them to defense lawyers, violating a basic tenet of trial fair play.

“There was a certain amount of trial by ambush,” said Richard Dicker, who has been monitoring the trial for Human Rights Watch, a New York-based group.

On June 13, seemingly in a fit of impatience, Judge Abdel-Rahman abruptly cut off the defense case. “There was a lack of impartiality and judicial temperament” from Judge Abdel-Rahman, Mr. Dicker charged.

However, several American criminal lawyers said the prosecution marshaled surprisingly convincing documents, including those showing Mr. Hussein’s signature on orders of execution. “Saddam was convicted on the strength of his own documents,” said Michael Scharf, a professor at Case Western Reserve University School of Law who advised the Iraqi tribunal during the trial.

But many trial observers were withholding final opinions yesterday because the Iraqi judges had not issued their written judgment, a voluminous document expected to come out this week.

American lawyers in Iraq dismissed suspicions that the verdict had been delayed to give the Bush administration a political victory in Iraq close to Tuesday’s elections.

Accusations by Mr. Hussein’s supporters that the trial was manipulated by United States officials were not borne out, American lawyers who followed the case said. An office organized by the United States Embassy helped the tribunal with the investigation and provided legal and logistical assistance. But the Iraqi judges frequently ignored their advice and generally insisted on sticking with familiar procedures from the Iraqi justice system.

“The U.S. government was not the puppet master of this tribunal,” Mr. Scharf said.

Mr. Drimmer said that “the trial conduct was a step back from the kind of international justice we had hoped for,” and added, “But ultimately having Saddam Hussein prosecuted in a transparent proceeding is a major step for Iraq.”

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Post time 2006-11-7 11:17:13 |Display all floors
I think any of the anti-Westerners on here (whampy, jetsam, yang) would've declared the trial fair and just if anyone but a Western country was backing it. But evidently, their petty hatred of the West has gotten in the way of them seeing that all things considered, Saddam Hussein is certainly the greater of two evils. That's pretty sad, you guys.

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Post time 2006-11-9 02:35:39 |Display all floors
Can’t be twice lucky ….

It works when Bin Ladin appeared on American T.V (manipulated) and Bush took full advantage of it to push for his presidency votes.

He tried again with Saddam Hussein “timing” the announcement of his death sentence right on time.

But what Bushi(t) failed to see is that Saddam is not Bin Ladin.

Bin Ladin was an ACE then

Saddam is a Joker

It’s NOT great to see the “balance” in American politics.  In fact, it may be a bad thing

but the Bushi(t) of America is really too blaring ….. and glaringly criminal.

Let’s see if the “balance” will change the fate of Saddam Hussein, the lesser evil according to some.

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Post time 2006-11-9 02:37:18 |Display all floors
Election, a democratic choice ?

Another election is marred by dirty tricks
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
Published: 08 November 2006

Early yesterday morning, Tim Daly of Clarendon, Virginia found a message on his voice mail threatening him with arrest if he showed up to vote.

"This is the Virginia Elections Commission," the message said. " We've determined you are registered in New York to vote. Therefore, you will not be allowed to cast your vote... If you do show up, you will be charged criminally."

Mr Daly, who has lived and voted in Virginia since 1998, quickly figured out this was not the Virginia Elections Commission at all, but a rogue operation intended to intimidate Democratic Party sympathisers like himself.

Within hours of the polls opening in Virginia - battleground of one of the tightest Senate races in the mid-term elections - both the state attorney's office and the Federal Bureau of Investigation had opened inquiries. But reports of dirty campaigning, most if not quite all of it carried out on behalf of the Republican Party, cascaded across the country so fast that it was almost impossible for law enforcement, or anyone else, to keep up.

In several states, Democrats - especially African Americans - complained that they had been called and told the location of their precinct had changed, when it hadn't. In 20 of the closest House districts around the country, registered Democrats and independents found themselves bombarded with so-called "robo-calls" - computer-generated messages that sound at first like get-out-the-vote initiatives on behalf of Democratic candidates but grow ever more negative as they go on until it finally becomes clear they are endorsed by the Republican Party.

Voters complained not only that the messages were deceptive, but that they arrived with deadening regularity, sometimes very late at night, in what appeared to be a concerted effort by Republicans to anger their recipients and turn them off the idea of voting at all. Some of the underhand tactics were even perpetuated by the media. The conservative radio talk-show host Laura Ingraham spent some of her morning show openly mocking a voter protection hotline set up the Democrats and repeatedly aired the phone number - leading to a spike in crank calls that slowed down voters with bona fide complaints to air.

Dirty campaigning in the United States is as old as voting itself, and it tends to be more egregious when, as in this case, the election is regarded as pivotal and the races are close. Certain tactics, like trying to misdirect voters to the wrong precinct or telling them the election is on Wednesday, not Tuesday, are time-honoured.

In the South, and in some of the bigger East Coast cities, such efforts are frequently directed at African Americans, who tend to be more distrustful of authority than other Americans and thus more prone to intimidation if, say, they are threatened with arrest for outstanding parking tickets if they show up to vote.

Yesterday, though, Virginia appeared to be the worst offender, following a bruising campaign between George Allen, the incumbent Republican Senator, and Jim Webb, his Democratic challenger. Peter Baumann, from Cape Charles, reported getting a call from a purported Webb volunteer telling him his polling location had changed. When he told the caller he was a poll worker and knew perfectly well where he was voting, she hung up. Buckingham County, which is heavily African American, was flooded in fliers that read: " Skip This Election" in large bold-face letters.

In anticipation of the problems, around 10,000 lawyers working for the Republican and Democratic parties had been dispatched across the country to intervene if problems arose, while the US Justice Department also sent more than 850 observers to 22 states.

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Post time 2006-11-9 02:39:30 |Display all floors

Ooops .....

I am not done yet.

Wait till you see the 2 clowns after me ....

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