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Post time 2006-10-15 19:32:17 |Display all floors

Reply #13 immouse's post

Originally posted by immouse at 2006-10-15 10:12

You are a pretty abrasive girl.  I know I won't win a fight with you.

You say all you can.

When I say I "won't read or listen", I mean I won't buy your nonsense which has no context and no substance ..... just "attack" and say "you're everything".

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ps: I won't waste any more words with you .... and I am entitled to my views.  Have decency.


Yes, VERY ACCURATELY said.

Be careful what she's capable of .... despite her telling us she's young.

bie li zhe mei jiao yang he mei jia jiao de xiao chu sheng !



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Post time 2006-10-15 19:46:12 |Display all floors
I posted this in Free Talk in Window to the West and it is my pleasure to repeat it over here to share with the Chinese forumites and if you are a parent, the more that you should read.

EVEN IF you are not a parent, you should read too .... to see how internet has been abused, the dangers it has brought and could bring.  

These may give good reasons for control over internet access.


For all parents with teenage children .....

The truth about Tweens: Parents 'clueless' about what their children are up to, says new report

Shocking evidence of premature sexualisation of girls found in study of their private conversations.

By Roger Dobson and Martin Hodgson
Published: 27 August 2006

Children as young as nine are using internet chatrooms to talk about their sexual encounters, and, in most cases, their parents have no idea what they are up to, a study of pre-teen girls shows.

There is growing concern about sexualisation of "tweenies" - youngsters between childhood and the teenage years - via the internet, magazines, clothes, music, TV and cosmetic products.


The five-year study, the first of its kind, looked into the sexual behaviour of 1,300 pre-teens, and revealed that, on the internet at least, young girls' lives are "filled with sexual behaviour of one sort or another". It concludes that almost all parents are "virtually clueless" about what their daughters are up to.

"The girls overwhelmingly report that their parents are unaware of their sexual chatting on the internet, even though it occurred regularly throughout the day," says Joan Atwood, who led the study. "These girls are at risk for pregnancy and for sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV, [and for] the psychological effects. The data also indicate the girls do not think about the consequences of their sexual behaviour."

The study involved girls aged eight to 13 in several countries, including the UK, US, Australia and Canada, who used chatrooms. Researchers contacted the girls anonymously through a major chatsite, and recorded their online conversations, some lasting several hours.

Some girls had webcams, allowing other web-users to see them as they typed; others used voice communication or posted pictures. Three-quarters of the girls claimed to have had sexual intercourse, and only a small number had not performed some sexual activity. Dr Atwood said: "In 95 per cent of cases, the participants reported that their parents did not have a clue they were chatting on the internet, that they were chatting with older individuals, or that they had been engaging in sexual activity."

Parents mistakenly believed sex education would ensure their children would steer clear of risky behaviour, she added. But the study showed girls as young as nine were sexually active. "They appear to be well-versed in sexual terms and behaviours. In some cases, the girls are forced into sexuality by a relative; in other cases, they appear to engage freely in sex with their boyfriends; in yet other cases they are forced by an older male."

Of the pre-adolescent girls who discussed sexual activity, nearly a third were younger than 12, and 8 per cent were under 10. "[Parents] believe education is empowerment and they have educated their youngsters about sex," Dr Atwood said. "Therefore, their children won't do it or if they do, they will be responsible and sensible. Wrong."

Chris Cloke, the head of child protection awareness at the NSPCC, said the results reflected other research that has shown young girls are increasingly exposed to sexual images and language. "We are very concerned that young children are living in an ever more sexual environment," he said. "They face pressure from the media, from adverts and increasingly from the internet. All this can make children more sexually aware and can lead them to sexual activity for which they are not ready."

The study again highlights growing concern about sexually precocious behaviour in young girls, with many reporting that they feel pressured into sex at an early age. Teen websites and magazines and high-street retailers have repeatedly come under fire for inappropriate sexual imagery and language. Last year, Asda withdrew pink and black lace lingerie, including a push-up bra marketed to nine-year-olds, after complaints from parents.

The retailer Bhs was forced to withdraw underwear with a "Little Miss Naughty" logo. The company initially rejected parents' concerns, saying the bras and pants were "harmless fun". The clothing retailer Next faced criticism for selling T-shirts for girls under six bearing the slogan, "So many boys, so little time".

Teachers say young girls are bombarded with sexual content in teen magazines including Bliss, CosmoGirl and Sugar which are aimed those aged 12 to 18 but are often read by much younger children. In 2004, Sugar provoked outrage with a 12-page publicity feature on sexual health in a sponsorship deal with the condom manufacturer Durex.

Britain's four million tweens have an estimated spending power of £3.1bn a year, but marketing experts say their real power comes from the influence they have on their parent's shopping choices. A study in June showed 61 per cent of adults will "occasionally or always" defer to their tweenage children when buying music or DVDs. This increase in commercial pressure, plus developments in technology, has transformed the way children interact with the world and increased their exposure to sexual imagery, said Mr Cloke.

NSPCC research showed one in 10 children had been asked intimate sexual questions in chatrooms, and more than a third of teenage girls have had sexually explicit messages, pictures or videos on their mobile phones. Dr Atwood said the internet has transformed the way young people communicate, but she warned that research into the content of teenage and pre-teen chatrooms on the internet is "practically non-existent".

Her report said: "The diary with lock and key is a thing of the past. Now young people write their innermost feelings, their sexual thoughts and behaviours in a journal uploaded on the internet for the world to read. Their blogs or personal web pages contain information that 25 years ago would have been hidden in their diary in a secret place. Many young people have computers in their rooms and stay up till all hours messaging their friends while their parents are sleeping."

The report quotes one 10-year old. "I've just kissed guys. He was 11. My mom and dad think that I just chat with friends online. They don't know I go into chatrooms."

One nine-year-old said: "I've done sex. I do it lots when we go on holiday. The first time I did it I was six. We go to a nudist place in England. I do it with people of all ages."

The researchers, whose findings are to be reported in the American Journal of Family Therapy, agree they cannot say whether some girls were reporting fantasy rather than fact, but Dr Atwood said the results are still useful for describing the sexual lives of young girls.

"Sexual intercourse used to be something a person did when he or she got married. Then it became something she/he did in college. Now it appears it is something young people do in high school. In the present study, many have had intercourse even earlier than that."

Additional reporting by Claire O'Boyle

TARGET 10-YEAR-OLDS: A £3.1BN MARKET

Magazines

Sales of tween magazines are worth around £1.6m per month, but titles such as Cosmo Girl, Girl Talk and Bliss are regularly criticised for their frank, sexual content. In 2004 teachers called for age limits on the magazines after Sugar published a 12-page feature in partnership with the condom manufacturer Durex.

Film

Hollywood has long known the value of the market, churning out a stream of movies aimed at the eight- to 13-year-old audience. Films featuring pubescent actresses such as Hilary Duff include Agent Cody Banks and The Lizzie McGuire Movie. Tween icons Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen are said to be worth £79m each.

Fashion

The UK market in children's clothing and accessories is estimated at more than £5bn a year. Bhs, Asda, Argos and Next have been criticised for marketing thongs, padded bras, mini-skirts and other sexually inappropriate clothes. Woolworths, M&S and Boots have introduced accessory and make-up lines targeting the market.

Music

British youngsters aged between eight and 16 are reported to be spending as much as £50m a month on music downloads and CDs. Girls Aloud, Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears are all tween idols, despite - or perhaps because of - the overtly sexual nature of their lyrics.


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Post time 2006-10-16 09:34:26 |Display all floors
While we're not on topic, briefly, I have to ask you, whampoa, why exactly you feel the need to use all the colors and such that you do when you type? Are you trying to make a certain point by bolding certain sections of text and using ALL CAPS in others? By making your articles a mini-rainbow of red, blue, and purple?

I guess I don't get it. If you can't make a point typing in normal font--black and white, capitalization only where appropriate, no bolding, etc.--then it seems to me there's either something wrong with your writing style or something wrong with the point you're trying to make. Do academics use different colors in their pieces? I don't know of any students who have used such techniques in their theses, nor of any lawmakers who feel it necessary to do such a thing when writing a bill.  

You said you're writing a book (I shudder to think). I hope you won't try the same methods there that you use on here--no one will take you seriously.

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Post time 2006-10-16 20:49:27 |Display all floors

Reply #16 whampoa's post

GOOD POST!  Interesting paragraphs ....

Parents mistakenly believed sex education would ensure their children would steer clear of risky behaviour, she added. But the study showed girls as young as nine were sexually active. "They appear to be well-versed in sexual terms and behaviours. In some cases, the girls are forced into sexuality by a relative; in other cases, they appear to engage freely in sex with their boyfriends; in yet other cases they are forced by an older male."

Of the pre-adolescent girls who discussed sexual activity, nearly a third were younger than 12, and 8 per cent were under 10. "[Parents] believe education is empowerment and they have educated their youngsters about sex," Dr Atwood said. "Therefore, their children won't do it or if they do, they will be responsible and sensible. Wrong."

The study again highlights growing concern about sexually precocious behaviour in young girls, with many reporting that they feel pressured into sex at an early age. Teen websites and magazines and high-street retailers have repeatedly come under fire for inappropriate sexual imagery and language. Last year, Asda withdrew pink and black lace lingerie, including a push-up bra marketed to nine-year-olds, after complaints from parents.

NSPCC research showed one in 10 children had been asked intimate sexual questions in chatrooms, and more than a third of teenage girls have had sexually explicit messages, pictures or videos on their mobile phones. Dr Atwood said the internet has transformed the way young people communicate, but she warned that research into the content of teenage and pre-teen chatrooms on the internet is "practically non-existent".


The report quotes one 10-year old. "I've just kissed guys. He was 11. My mom and dad think that I just chat with friends online. They don't know I go into chatrooms."

One nine-year-old said: "I've done sex. I do it lots when we go on holiday. The first time I did it I was six. We go to a nudist place in England. I do it with people of all ages."


"Sexual intercourse used to be something a person did when he or she got married. Then it became something she/he did in college. Now it appears it is something young people do in high school. In the present study, many have had intercourse even earlier than that."

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Maybe the context isn't in China but the dangers are there .... lurking as long as children are given access to internet, unchecked.

Hmmm .... parents should be careful.  There is a lot more to sex education.  Sex education must be more than sex and I would agree that teaching sex education to children at a young age is more harmful than good.  Starting from ages 13 - 14 would be the best as the children would be more mature by then and understand it better.

Ooops, I've gone off-topic.  Sorry !


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Post time 2006-10-16 22:13:28 |Display all floors
You're right, inmouse; there should be more to sex ed than just the act of sex. It should teach responsibility, the possible consequences, and a healthy respect of the act. I would say don't wait until 13-14; I think 11 is a good time to start, because then most kids won't have hit puberty yet, and once puberty starts, weird things happen with hormones. I think it's best to give them an understanding of what's going on with their bodies before it happens.

I hardly think that 9-year-old is representative of a majority. And maybe I'm behind the times, but I don't think too many middle-schoolers are having sex. They might be doing things of a sexual nature, but the impression I have is that most hold off until high school to actually have sex.

I worry about the problem of young girls acting overly sexual, too. I don't think tweens (kids 9-12) need provocative lingerie. But still, I think for every one of those girls, there's another who is more like I was at that age--wearing baggy t-shirts and gym shorts, having awkward crushes sometimes but never really acting on it, worrying more about school and sports than boys. As long as there are some of those girls left, I think there's hope.

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Post time 2006-10-17 02:27:29 |Display all floors

Sex education might not be off-topic ...

However I tried asking whampoa her views on this before:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-09/23/content_695298.htm

Getting to grips with sex education

Sex education is always a hot topic among youth in China, but Zhang Meimei, a professor at Capital Normal University in Beijing, decided five months ago to take the next step and do something that she thought has been overdue for years: hold a sex education summer camp for pre-teenagers.

The 11- and 12-year-olds were to learn about puberty, how to befriend the opposite sex and how to "become popular in school."

Zhang knew it would be difficult to make parents understand her motives, and she was right.

Last month, she had to cancel the camp. Though many parents enquired about the camp, only 10 decided to enrol their children.

Why? The answer can be found in what two of the parents had to say: "It's embarrassing to send my child to a sex education camp when other children are going to an English or technology camp," and "I'm afraid the summer camp will make children think of things they should not."

"A typical Chinese parent just turns pale at the mention of sex," says Zhang, who has studied sex education for 16 years.

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I will not post the whole article. Unlike whampoa, I assume most people can click on a hyperlink and access the ChinaDaily website for themselves.

Socko, I have only used bold to show the article heading.

Awareness appears to be a way forward - educating children (at the right age - what is the right age?) about issues pertaining to both sex and the dangers they might face, i.e. what is considered right and what is wrong.

Side fact: I know parents who take their kids out of the school system and opt for home-schooling so that they can control this aspect of their education. Some parents are keen to avoid the syllabus where same-sex partnerships might be discussed.
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Post time 2006-10-17 10:16:30 |Display all floors
It really is a shame that there are people so narrowminded in this world that they won't allow their children to even hear it mentioned in an academic setting that some people have same-sex relationships.

I also can't believe the surge in abstinence-only sex ed classes in the US, which have not had good results thus far. Let's face it--teens are curious about sexuality. If they're going to experiment, let's make sure they do it with a full arsenal of knowledge on their side, so they know what all is going on.

I should probably clarify--I don't think 11-year-olds need to get the full details of sex in class, but they should know about puberty and about having healthy romantic yet non-sexual relationships with the opposite sex.

The camp mentioned in #20 sounds like a good idea for China, which is still a little behind on the sex ed route, but I'm not too surprised at the results. I wonder, what do Chinese parents tell their kids when they start menstruating or having wet dreams? Anything?

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