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Post time 2006-10-18 06:03:21 |Display all floors

Reply #14 immouse's post

Originally posted by immouse at 2006-10-16 21:06
But whampoa,

Africa is a bit different, isn't it ?

For years, decades and centuries, it has been mired in poverty and politcal chaos ?

Of course, I agree with you and I don't like the life ...



Hi, Immouse, you are right and I don't disagree with you that Africa situation is a bit different.

For centuries in fact from slavery to today's ... child trade and adoption.

We, of course, cannot put all the blame on the rich who have the MEANS to do whatever they want.

The poor themselves do have to share part of the blame and I am NOT blaming the individual poor people, rather THE COUNTRY, the poor country which has exposed itself and made itself so vulnerable that they could not even protect their own babies.

It is also the question of PRINCIPLE, what is the basis for the adoption by Madonna ?  She already has 2 of her own and there is no report to say that she cannot give birth of her own?

Really and quite clearly, those were definitely NOT the reasons for approving her adoption.  Now, she has the baby who, it was reported, is now out of the country to be with her.



Mouse, let's NOT forget how some of these rich countries like America and UK make their billions and trillions - sale of weapons to war-torn countries like Africa .... Congo and Dulfur, for example.

My only sympathy is to the BABY and Children who have NO choice of their own.  They are like commodities that adults decide what is good for them, better for them ....

and sure sure in the circumstances they are in "poverty and political chaos".

My point.


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Post time 2006-10-18 06:04:20 |Display all floors
.... and quite correct

even the adults cannot protect themselves, what else about the babies.



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Post time 2006-10-18 06:07:42 |Display all floors

Read this ...

on 16 October it was reported that Madonna's adoption may take longer than anticipated ....

Court to challenge Madonna's adoption plans
PA
Published: 16 October 2006

Madonna's hopes of adopting a Malawian child were in danger of being wrecked today as a legal challenge was mounted against the move by child protection groups in the country.

The Eye Of The Child, a children's rights group, said it was seeking "clarification" from the High Court in Lilongwe, the capital city of Malawi, as to how the singer gained preliminary custody of 13-month-old David Banda.

Boniface Mandere, of Eye Of The Child, claimed the legal process had been too short.

"I don't think that the High Court has any information about how Madonna is when it comes to child-rearing.

"We are concerned that the High Court has taken a short cut and waived the law. We are registering our concern and will seek clarification from the court, after which we will decide what action to take."

A range of aid agencies, child charities and church groups in the impoverished east African country are said to have joined together to try to prevent what they claim are attempts to fast-track the adoption process and sidestep regulations.

According to newspaper reports, the legal challenge could mean that Madonna would have to live in Malawi for 18 months if she is determined to make the little boy part of her family.

Madonna's spokeswoman, Liz Rosenberg, has confirmed the adoption plans, but said David did not leave with Madonna and her husband, Guy Ritchie, on Friday because final legal arrangements were still being made.

Malawian officials also said the child's departure had been delayed for procedural reasons, and that he was being cared for in the meantime by members of Madonna's entourage who stayed behind.

Malawi is one of the world's poorest countries, devastated by Aids and periodic drought.

Malawian officials had indicated earlier that adoption regulations would be eased for Madonna and Ritchie, but refused to elaborate.

Madonna's private plane had departed for an undisclosed destination just before 2am local time on Friday.

Madonna and Ritchie have a son, Rocco, five, and the singer also has a daughter, Lourdes, nine.

David's father, Yohame Banda, said he was pleased the celebrity couple wanted his son, whose mother died just after childbirth. He said he met with them at court during the filing procedures.

"They are a lovely couple," he said. "She asked me many questions. She and her husband seem happy with David. I am happy for him. Madonna promised me that as the child grows she will bring him back to visit."

Madonna's charity, Raising Malawi, is setting up an orphan care centre to provide food, education and shelter for up to 4,000 children. It will have projects based on Kabbalah, Judaism's mystical sect, which counts the 48-year-old singer among its devotees.

In an open letter to Madonna, Eye Of The Child had questioned whether foreign adoptions were in the best interests of children.

But Mirriam Nyirongo, a retired nurse who runs an orphanage in the northern Malawian town of Mzuzu, said: "We must be frank. We can't afford to look after the thousands of babies that are being orphaned every day.

"If rich people like Madonna take just one child it will be a major boost for Malawi. For people like baby David, when they come to know their roots, might wish to do the same for others."



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Post time 2006-10-18 06:10:12 |Display all floors
But the next day, 17 October we read an about-turn report that baby is on the way to be with his rich adopted mother ....

Madonna polarises opinion as David flies out

Yesterday, despite protests from charity workers, David Banda, a motherless child from Malawi, began a new life as adopted son of Madonna, one of the richest people in the Western world. Another example of the overweening power of money and celebrity? Or a rare piece of good news from a land with 1,000,000 orphans?
By Maxine Frith and Christopher Thompson in Lilongwe
Published: 17 October 2006

David Banda's first year of life has been normal enough for Malawi. His mother died within days of giving birth to him, his elder brothers succumbed to malaria and his father, unable to cope, put him in an orphanage.

His future looked set to be the same as more than a million other children in Malawian orphanages: poverty, malnutrition, HIV/Aids, chronic disease and early death - life expectancy in the stricken African nation is just 40.

Yesterday, though, the 18-month-old boy's life took an extraordinary turn; he was taken on a private jet to South Africa, accompanied by a bodyguard and a nanny, before heading for an opulent new life in London with the singer Madonna and her family.

But even as a Malawian court granted Madonna and her husband, Guy Ritchie, an 18-month interim adoption order and the right to take David out of the country, the controversy over the boy and his newly rewritten future continued.

The issue has divided campaigners in Malawi, as well as polarising debate internationally. For critics, Madonna is simply another example of the growing and distasteful trend of rich celebrities "shopping" for children to adopt from countries with which they have no ethnic ties, using their money and power to bend the rules without a thought for the children they do not choose.

The fact that she has pledged £1.6m to help 900,000 Malawian orphans with food, education and shelter has only added to the belief that she has in effect bought herself a baby by flexing the muscle power of her £248m fortune.

For others, the singer is to be praised for helping at least one child out of poverty, in a country where a quarter of the population is infected with HIV and the majority of people live on less than a dollar a day. And for her financial aid to the others left behind.

It is a modern morality tale that will be played out in the full glare of media headlines, probably for the rest of David's life - and with no guarantee of what the ending will be.

After a weekend of wrangling over passport details and threats by human rights groups to block the adoption, David was flown out of Malawi's capital, Lilongwe, yesterday. Even as the plane took off, Malawian government officials, child protection campaigners and relatives of the boy continued to make conflicting claims about the case.

Various lobby groups there have banded together under the umbrella organisation of the Human Rights Consultative Committee, claiming that the adoption is unlawful because Madonna has not lived in the country for 18 months, in accordance with national law.

Reports at the weekend said that an uncle of David was opposed to the process and it is unclear whether Madonna has yet been approved as an adoptive parent by the British authorities, as is required by law. The Human Rights Consultative Committee yesterday postponed its attempt to have the adoption blocked by the Malawian courts. Justin Dzodzi, who chairs the committee, said he wanted to send investigators to the village to "get a feel of what the villagers and relatives feel about the adoption and whether anyone opposes it." But he insisted the case would go ahead, and that they would fight for David to be returned to his native country.

Emmie Chanika, director of the Civil Liberties Committee group in Malawi, said: "The rich shouldn't get preferential treatment. Do we have checks so people cannot grab our children? I am fine with the idea of adoption but I want people to go through the system."

A Malawian government official insisted that Madonna had "been pushing papers for some time" before news of the intended adoption leaked out last week and that the rules had not been relaxed for the singer.

The battle over David is far from clear cut, however. The boy's father, Yohame Banda, said he was pleased the celebrity couple wanted his son. " They are a lovely couple," he said. "She asked me many questions. She and her husband seem happy with David. Madonna promised me that as the child grows she will bring him back to visit."

For some dealing with poverty, the HIV/Aids epidemic and malnutrition in the country, Madonna's intervention is only welcome. Mirriam Nyirongo, a retired nurse who runs an orphanage in the northern Malawian town of Mzuzu, said: " We must be frank. We can't afford to look after the thousands of babies that are being orphaned every day. If rich people like Madonna take just one child it will be a major boost for Malawi."

Adoption groups in Britain said at least one good thing had already come out of the brouhaha - a surge in inquiries from people about becoming parents to the thousands of children in local authority care here. The British Association for Adoption and Fostering said the number of visits to its website had increaseg greatly since it emerged that Madonna was adopting David.

Just 3,000 of the 60,000 children in care were placed with adoptive parents last year, largely because of a chronic shortage of suitable carers, particularly those willing to take older children rather than babies. The average age at adoption of a British child is over four.

A further 4,000 children were left in care, up for adoption but with no potential parents. While the need for more adopters is desperate, the process of being approved for a child and then being matched can take years.

Adoption agencies say that at least the publicity surrounding David's adoption has been welcome for the issue, if not for the child, his new mother and some campaigners in Malawi.

Adoption: the facts

The British situation

* Last year, there were more than 60,000 children in the care of local authorities; 5 per cent were placed for adoption

* The average age at which a British child is adopted is four years and two months

* Only 5 per cent of children adopted last year were under a year old

* The waiting time from approval to being matched with a child and having them placed ranges from one to five years

* Thousands remain in care because there is a shortage of adoptive parents, particularly from ethnic minorities

* In 1970, 20,000 children were adopted; last year it was just over 3,000

* In addition to the 3,000 who were adopted, a further 4,000 were waiting for a permanent home to go to

Overseas adoption

* 313 children were adopted from overseas and brought to Britain last year, most of them under two years old

* Half of them were from China, where the one child per family rule has led to millions of girls being abandoned in orphanages

* Last year Romania banned foreigners from adopting amid concerns that babies were being sold for £30,000 each

* Overseas adoption can still take up to three years and cost about £15,000

* People who adopt from abroad without first being approved by the UK authorities face imprisonment under the Adoption and Children Act

The rules

* The overhaul of adoption law allows single people and same-sex couples the same rights as married couples

* Factors such as age and ethnicity, and lifestyle issues such as obesity, are considered but there are no longer rigidly enforced rules; there is no upper age limit, although applicants must be over 21

* Parents who give up their children for adoption now have a legal right to ask an intermediary body to help contact them once they are adults

* Until 1975, adopted people had no right to access their birth records

* There are an estimated one million adoptees in the UK




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Post time 2006-10-18 09:28:20 |Display all floors
"what is the basis for the adoption by Madonna ?  She already has 2 of her own and there is no report to say that she cannot give birth of her own?"

Maybe she doesn't want to further increase the world's population? Maybe she realizes there are children out there who could be leading better lives if they had help?

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Post time 2006-10-19 19:10:06 |Display all floors

Reply #15 whampoa's post

Thanks, whampoa

for your overwhelming response.

I see your point.

The last I heard, they spent a whopping 6 trillion USD on export of weapons.


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Post time 2006-10-19 19:13:52 |Display all floors
Originally posted by sockmonkey at 2006-10-18 09:28
"what is the basis for the adoption by Madonna ?  She already has 2 of her own and there is no report to say that she cannot give birth of her own?"

Maybe she doesn't want to further i ...



This is a really CUTE reply.

They said USA's population has hit 300 million and getting crowded.



Is that how they determine the eligibility to be foster parents ?

I wonder.

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