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Proven once again...

Who backs up the mega bigot seneca first in line and right after his rear whenever an attack on China is waged?

The forum resident seneca-rear-wiper andyDOG !!

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Declassified document unveils truth of WWII shipwreck

2005-04-05 03:23:45 Xinhua English

HANGZHOU, April 5(Xinhuanet)- Sixty-three years ago, nearly 200 fishermen in east China's Zhejiang Province rescued more than 380 British prisoners after a Japanese ship was torpedoed and sunk in East China sea.

Sixty-three years later, the story of the rescue, which had been largely forgotten, came out as a confidential document was declassified in the Zhejiang Provincial Archives in April, 2005.

The 99-page document, which was accidentally found by scholars in Zhejiang, recorded in detail the rescue and includes 1948 telegrams from the British governments expressing gratitude to the fishermen.


On Sept. 27, 1942, more than 1,800 British prisoners of war boarded the"Lisbon Maru," a Japanese prison ship disguised as common cargo vessel, leaving Hong Kong for Japan.

The ship was torpedoed by a US submarine off the Zhoushan Islands in Zhejiang, on Oct. 1, 1942. While many were killed, others jumped from the sinking ship.

The document said nearly 200 local fishermen with 46 fishing boats rushed to the site and pulled 384 British soldiers from the water.

"It was Aug. 23, 1942 in the Chinese Lunar Calendar. I heard a huge bang. All the men in my family rushed out of the house and wesaw a big ship in the sea with its back part in the water. We decided to see what happened," recalled Shen Agui, 81, one of the 13 fishermen still alive.

"First we saw some wooden blocks and cotton floating on the water. But to our surprise, we found many people in the sea, yelling something," said 80-year-old Guo Ade, another of the fishermen.

"We dared not get too close, as four Japanese ships were around.So we had to wait until they left and began to save the people," said Shen.

"Blue eyes, yellow hair and white skin. We had no idea they were British, but we could see they were foreigners," said Shen, who said that he, his father and his uncle rescued seven of the men.

"Japanese came to our village the next day and I told my families to send three foreigners hiding at my home to a nearby cave, which was barely known to the villagers," said Wang Baorong, another fisherman.

The rescued soldiers were recaptured by the Japanese and taken back to Japan-- all except for J. C. Fallace, W. C. Johnstone and A. J. W. Evans, the three hidden in the cave, who managed to escape to Chongqing, an inland city in southwest China with the help of the Chinese, according to the document.

Altogether 847 died in the shipwreck and 970 survived.

The three Britishers disclosed the truth of"the Lisbon Maru Incident" and Japanese armies mistreating the British soldiers through broadcast in Chongqing, firstly making the truth known to the public.


As time passed, the"Lisbon Maru Incident" was remembered only by historians and insiders. In 2002 when Wang Haigang, a deputy ofthe City People's Congress of Zhoushan, made a proposal to salvagethe sunken ship, that the public focused on that period of history again.

The government of Zhoushan launched a large-scale investigation into the shipwreck and found the 13 fishermen who took part in the rescue.

In May 2003, Tian Qinghua, vice-chairman with the Zhoushan Social Science Association, happened to find the classified document in the Zhejiang Provincial Archives, providing authoritative evidence for the truth of the shipwreck.

In fact, the"Lisbon Maru Incident" has not only riveted attention from Chinese people, but also from Tony Banham, a British war history scholar, who first learned of the incident in 1988 and decided to write book on it.

"I heard some British soldiers were saved by Chinese people in a shipwreck, but I wanted to know the details," said Mr. Banham, who came to Zhoushan Saturday to research his book.

He met three of the fishermen on Sunday, but the interview doesnot go smoothly.

"Communicating with them is tough job, because my questions must first be translated into Mandarin and then Zhoushan dialect and their answer had to be also translated twice," said the British scholar.

"But it was totally worth it because I found out so many new things and I was so impressed by these people-- they risked their lives to save several hundred foreigners, which should never be forgotten," he said.

Banham has interviewed 15 British survivors.

"They said after they fell into the sea, the Japanese did not offer help, instead, they shot them and kicked those who tried to climb onto the life boats," he said.

Banham's book, scheduled to be released early next year, will include a poem written by the daughter of a British survivor about her father's experience of being rescued by Chinese fishermen and sent back to the jail in Japan.

"The'Lisbon Maru' was a life-long scar to the British soldiers, but also to their families," he said.


To carry out further investigation into the"Lisbon Maru Incident," a special research association was established in Zhoushan and the local government also plans to shoot a movie about the shipwreck.

"I don't want to be hero of the movie. I am not a hero," said Guo Ade, one the three fisherman interviewed by Banham.

"I just did something that I always believed in," the old man said."Saving a life adds a star in the sky and the Lord knows allwe've done." Enditem

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According to people who were present during the interviews...

The interpreter accompanying the brits was from the city of Hong Kong who speaks no mandarin, leave alone the zhoushan dialect, which, with only slight variations, is equivalent to the dialect of Ningbo. The city of Ningbo is very close to Xikou, the birth place of J!ang Jieshi who headed the KMT govt prior to the establishment of the People's Repulic of China in 1949. It follows that the fishermen could readily understand the late J!ang Jieshi if he spoke in his native dialect.

As one can see, the brits are pretty dumb and/or ignorant - why a HKer who is only fluent in cantonese for such an interpreting job??

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Post time 2005-4-14 15:19:34 |Display all floors

For more info on Chinese dialects, the reader is referred to the thread below...

Title - Changing China: the evolving Chinese dialects

A comprehensive description of major contemporary Chinese dialects is given there. Historical evolution of Chinese dialects and their interactions with foreign languages are also touched upon in passing.

Many nice dialect maps there, too !!

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Post time 2005-4-14 15:42:08 |Display all floors

Related info - the Zhoushan Archipelago

Readers beware: descriptions of modern Zhoushan in Britannica 2005, such as "Ting-hai, the chief town of the archipelago, is a walled city located some distance inland on Chou-shan Tao", are at least more than 50 years out of date.


Britannica 2005 entry of  the Zhoushan (chou-shan) Archipelago

Chou-shan Archipelago

Chinese Chou-shan Ch'ün-tao, Pinyin Zhoushan Qundao conventional Chusan Archipelago group of more than 400 islands off the northern coast of Chekiang sheng (province), China. The administrative centre of the archipelago is at Ting-hai, the main town on Chou-shan Island. Tai-shan Island lies north of Chou-shan Island.

The Chou-shan islands represent the submerged peaks of the northeasterly continuation of the mountain ranges of Chekiang and Fukien provinces, which were originally connected with the ranges of the southwestern part of the Korean peninsula. The islands are steep and rugged, and many of them rise to heights of 800 ft (250 m) and more above sea level. The highest peak of Chou-shan Tao, the largest island of the group, rises to a height of 1,640 ft. Situated at the entrance to Hang-chou Wan (Hangchow Bay), the islands also receive much of the silt load discharged from the mouth of the Yangtze River to the north; many of the islands are surrounded by mudbanks, which may eventually join some of them to the mainland.

The islands were first brought under regular Chinese administration in the 8th century, after which they were administered from Shanghai on the mainland. The islands were important because they provided excellent harbours for the flourishing trade between Japan, the Ryukyu Islands, and the Chekiang ports of Ning-po and Hang-chou.

The connection with Japan was not merely commercial in character. One of the small islands to the east of Chou-shan itself, P'u-t'o Shan, is an important Buddhist cult centre. Now covered withmonasteries, cave temples, and shrines, it was a place of pilgrimage as early as the Sung dynasty (960–1279). It is believed to have been founded in 916, its early cult being connected with Kuan-yin, the goddess of mercy, an image of whom was brought there from the T'ien-t'ai Shan (T'ien-t'ai Mountains), a centre of Buddhism on the nearby mainland. A temple to the goddess was rebuilt and greatly enlarged in the 11th century and in 1131 became a major temple of Ch'an (Japanese Zen) Buddhism. Extensive sea traffic with Japan enabled the island centre to develop strong links with the major centres of Zen Buddhism in Japan; and when, in the late 13th century, the Mongol ruler Kublai Khan attempted his conquest of Japan, he employed monks from P'u-t'o Shan as intermediaries.

Under the Ming dynasty (1368–1644) the area was badly damaged by the raids of Japanese pirates, and the temples fell into disrepair. They were, however, restored in 1580. Under the Ch'ing dynasty (1644–1911) they were given Imperial recognition.

In the early 16th century the islands began to play a role in the European trade. In 1661 some of the monasteries were looted and pillaged by the Dutch. At the end of the 18th century, one ofthe demands presented by the British mission to Peking (1794) led by Lord Macartney was for the establishment of a British trading settlement in the islands. During the first Opium War (1839–42), fought between Great Britain and China, part of the archipelago was for a time occupied by the British.

With the growth of modern shipping and the emergence of Shanghai as a major port in the 19th century, the commercial importance of the archipelago decreased. It remains, however, one of the most important Chinese fishing grounds; an enormous fishing fleet—much of it now motorized—is organized in communes. The islands produce great quantities of fish for market and such marine products as kelp, algae, and edible seaweeds. The islands are also intensively cultivated, producing two crops of rice a year. There has been some reclamation of the mud flats in order to extend the area under cultivation.

Ting-hai, the chief town of the archipelago, is a walled city located some distance inland on Chou-shan Tao; it is connected to the coast by a short canal. Ting-hai became the administrativecentre when the Ch'ing (Manchu) dynasty transferred the administration of the islands from themainland in the 17th century.

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