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No correction warranted, Karenb
[Well, yes, Shan, I was referring in my post above to the actions of particular insurgents in recent months -- which, by the way, I do NOT think represent the rest of the Iraqi people. I think most Iraqis are every bit as horrified by these actions as we are.] -- Karenb|
That’s well accepted. And that’s exactly the base that I said that “those terrible things didn’t happen before. Now move on to the "No correction warranted" part.
For the long list of killings during Saddam’s years, I don’t think it can justify a bit that this current Iraq war is NOT illegal. That’s the bottom line, not to mention what kind of LOVE turn to HATE affairs the US played with Saddam in those years. You also omit the historical timeline and context when talking about it. But I will not go into the details since it distract my initial topic. I will just show one picture below to let readers know it was NOT as simple as you described. And I don’t agree with your way of talking about history.
Karenb, I quoted the number, 100,000, of civilian death exactly from Lancet survey, the most comprehensive one so far measured in anyway, and this was produced by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Columbia University School of Nursing and Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad, far more consistent than the “Iraq Body Count” which has NO systematic way to collect the figures. In this survey, they not only delivered the survey results but also proved civilian death can be counted (unlike US government/military’s claim).
How ironic that you, Karenb, are claiming that “less than half of those civilian casualties were at the hands of US troops. The majority of the deaths are the result of Iraqi on Iraqi violence” ???
Is this true? The US and the world media has clearly been counting every Iraqis or Americans who died of car bombing and killing by either “Iraqis” or “foreigners”, people clearly know how many car bombs exploded, and each time how many died of it, or how many killed by guns, adding together, far fewer than 50,000, not even, let’s just take a LAREGE number, say 4000. But how many Iraqi civilians just ONE American cluster bomb killed? How many houses it destroyed? When an entire family perished they couldn’t even go to “Iraq Body Count” to claim death!
And US government/military simply refuses to give the civilian death number by saying “We don’t count civilian death.” Can we smell something fishy here? They don’t want people know the terribly alarmingly large number of civilian death! Yes, it is difficult to find every dead body, but you must do your best to count them and that’s exactly what Lancet Group did.
I am sorry to say that, Karenb, you just seem to be one of those Americans who are unable to care about others’ pain but your self. Don’t you think your arguments are so out of the line?
In fact, both Lancet group and John Hopkins University politically are quite conservative. And in fact again it has been pointed out that those figures are conservative too. They clearly stated that the numbers given (100,000) ARE mostly civilians killed by the coalition forces, and half of them, 50,000, are WOMEN and CHILDREN.
You need to correct yourself and do a self-examination.