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Japan's Shrine visits in the context of U.S. arms sales & Taidu intransigence [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2004-10-23 08:59:44 |Display all floors

I will give this piece a thorough going over when I have the time in a few days

Chinadaily has chosen to put this one up because it reflects official opinion on the topic.

Compare this piece with the main post in this thread, and see if you guys could present a critique before I do it for you (I said "official" because it was presented in BLOCK LETTERS in the opinion page and ending with the academic title of the author).  

If academicians were truly the best in prognosticating a nation's future we would never have had the Opium War.

China did not lack academicians during the period leading up to the Opium War.

The "trend' they were talking about was the use of opium and how Commissioner Lin drove the barbarians away from Canton.

Now we have an academician talking about a 'trend' again as if the EU model is suitable for the whole of Asia just because the Europeans have theirs established starting with the Euro as the common currency.

The trouble with university professors is that they don't have the finger on the right place on the arm to take the pulse because they usually live amongst books and journals in an air-conditioned room and never truly get down to brass tacks looking at the real world and analyzing the situation from Ground Zero.

That's why no American-trained academician was able to even come close to predicting 911 or what China would look like in 2004 at the time of Mao's death in 1976, and very few of them were optimistic of China's prospects during the time of the turmoil in T.A.M. Square fifteen years ago.

If they had gone to the Arab countries they would have known that the Israelis have given rise to a lot of hatred in the Arab world for the Americans and it was just a matter of time that something big -- not necessarily on the scale of 911-- would happen.  

If they had come to China they would have known too that the dissidents had no future in erecting an American-style political institution on the mainland.  The situation might not have develped as well as it had during the past fifteen years, but China definitely was not going to take the path of Gorbachev of the Soviet Union in the aftermath of the turmoil in T.A.M.

They had assumed all along that Arabs have low IQs (see Maggie's post in "Free Talk") and were incapable of organizing well-coordinated attacks on the Americans.

They had assumed that the Chinese were credulous enough to welcome American-style 'democracy.'

Well they were all wrong, and so is this author.

Like I said, we'll get at it when I have some more time.

But first let's take a look at this article before they take it down:


Speeding up East Asian integration

Zhao Huaipu  Updated: 2004-10-22 09:59

As regional integration remains one of today's world's trends, booming East Asian co-operation is becoming a precursor of Asian integration.

How to push forward steady and continuous co-operation among East Asian countries, which are still divided on numerous concrete issues, must be resolved by regional members with time and experience.

The success of European countries, who once differed from each other on many issues, in advancing and realizing an integration on their continent, can lend this kind of experience for East Asian countries.

The emergence and development of integration in different regions at different historical periods needs different driving forces.

Aspirations to overcome various crises in the wake of World War II, to look for a path to peace and prosperity, and to rebuild a powerful Europe not controlled by the Former Soviet Union and the United States, have explained the success of Europeans in integrating themselves.

East Asia does not have the same driving forces, but today's world presents similar conditions for them under which they could become a more coherent regional entity.

With economic globalization rapidly sweeping every corner of the global village, the world has irreversibly entered a new global era, during which peace, development and co-operation remain the mainstream.

On the one hand, globalization can provide underdeveloped countries with more channels to enjoy new information and new technology created by other members, thus making it possible for them to make strides in economic development. On the other hand, the process also makes it possible that crises and risks within one country rapidly spread beyond to others.

The domino reaction of other East Asian members to an economic crisis first in Thailand in 1997 demonstrated how vulnerable other members are to local disasters.

The 1997 financial crisis has made East Asian countries aware that they have no choice but to stand together to avoid suffering a similar attack again.

The formation of the 10-3 framework, an annual summit between leaders of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China, Japan and the Republic of Korea (ROK) to discuss all-dimensional co-operation between them, has shown a collective resolution to overcome negative factors caused by globalization.

Regional integration worldwide has also been a key factor driving East Asian members to deepen co-operation with each other.

Since the 1990s, the development of the trend has led to the global market being split up into different pieces, thus forming several monopoly markets across the world, such as the EU, the North American Free Trade Area (NAFTA) and the African Union (AU).

A great stimulus to East Asian nations, the formation of these regional markets has caused a sense of urgency among them that they should strengthen dialogues and co-ordination, expand co-operation, and sharpen the overall competitive edge in the region to avoid being marginalized in the waves of booming globalization and regional integration.

East Asian nations have also enjoyed a more solid economic foundation for further co-operation.

The formation of an increasing economic interdependence among East Asian members since the end of the Cold War has led to the emergence of common regional interests. That has made it possible and also necessary for members to co-ordinate and unify varying positions to safeguard common interests.

Global issues and non-traditional security threats have also played a role in pushing East Asian countries to accelerate co-operation and integration efforts.

It has become undeniable that in a globalized era, the number of terrorist activities, financial crimes, and drug trafficking, which are all non-traditional issues that any individual country cannot effectively curb and resolve, have been on the increase.

To effectively deal with these threats, strengthening co-operation is the only choice.

Currently, a pessimistic tone about East Asian co-operation is spreading and prevailing among some scholars, at home and abroad.

Arguing the United States was a key factor prodding European nations towards integration, they said East Asian nations do not have a similar factor.

There have been no signs that China and Japan, two key East Asian members, can reach conciliation before historical problems are solved, making East Asian integration unrealistic, they said.

It is true there are numerous obstacles in the way of East Asian co-operation, especially lack of reconciliation between Beijing and Tokyo, but it is hard to deny that regional co-operation serves as the only way to East Asian peace and development in a globalized era. The story of Europeans tells that any obstacle to integration is conquerable.

The integration of the ASEAN has already set an example for East Asian co-operation.

That initial confrontations between Singapore and Malaysia and estrangement between Malaysia and the Philippines did not stop Southeast Asian nations' efforts to forge a collective body presents a model for co-operation within a wider region.

For East Asian nations, the establishment of a security relationship through co-operation on the basis of mutual benefit and mutual trust is an applicable path to their deepened co-operation.

The establishment of security links between EU members on a mutually beneficial footing, which has ensured peace, stability and development in their continent, has offered an important reference for East Asia.

Given its numerous potential uncertain factors, pursuing security through co-operation is undoubtedly a top choice for the region.

Actually, East Asian nations can completely settle their security predicaments by developing regional systematized co-operation and establishing a sense of mutual trust.

At the same time, cultural co-operation and exchanges between East Asian members can also play an important role in advancing regional co-operation.

Although culturally different, regional members still have much in common.

Through strengthening cultural co-operation and exchanges on the basis of Confucianism, it is possible for East Asian countries to become more intimate, thus forming a collective cultural consciousness and then a common sense of regional identity.

It is under just this emerging "East Asia consciousness" that regional members have resolved many thorny issues between them in recent years, such as the signing of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, a document signed between China and ASEAN members in 2002 aimed at preventing conflict in the region.

With this kind of spirit, regional members will also have the ability to settle similar ticklish issues through dialogues in the future. And by that time, East Asian integration and even a regional community would no longer have been a dream.

The author is an associate professor at the China Foreign Affairs University.

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Post time 2004-10-23 16:29:06 |Display all floors

For the record, the bigoted b!tch cynica has nothing good to say about China on

Seneca has called ALL Chinese women "sluts" on this board. [1]

Seneca has said "chinese girls have many unpleasant qualities hidden from view: I deem them extremely tyrannical and cantankerous." [2]

Seneca has claimed all Chinese have "thinking disabilities." [3]

Seneca has advocated to remove Chinese parents from their part to see to the education and safety of their children. [4]

Seneca has asserted the city of Ji'an in Jilin province was not part of China. [5]

Seneca has called spitting "China's oldest cultural achievments." [6]

Seneca has said "Not only is cheating a serious enough topic, it is the bread and butter of China's economy." [7]

Seneca has demanded that ALL Chinese modify their habits and maintain eye contacts during conversations so that an ungrateful loser like himself could feel more comfortable while in China. [8]

Seneca has asserted that Chinese "stole" the Xisha Archipelago from the vietnamese. [9]


The list can go on and on and on ....

In short, seneca has absolutely NOTHING good to say about China and Chinese on this board.

Moderator, are you a CHINESE with pride and dignity??

If yes, what you should be deleting, instead, are seneca's posts of insults and venom!!

Better yet, you should have banned racist China-haters like seneca a LONG time ago!!

So, care to explain why you deleted my post simply stating the above facts?











Seneca's sample statements:


"Those answers tell a lot about CHinese thinking, don't they?
And, don't say you have never come across such answers; to me they are legion in my day-to-day dealings with Chinese. What Chinese have never perceived sensorily, they simply can't imagine.
That's a very limiting factor to their thinking!" - seneca

"Allow a Chinese to develop his or her thinking unfettered and you may be dealing with another genius before you!
Meanwhile, a backward culture induces a backward thinking that is at odds with many non-Chinese, not to mention with thinking Chinese as well." - seneca

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Post time 2004-10-24 20:15:56 |Display all floors

I have always thought

....the brackets <b> </b> were used for highlighting certain words or paragraphs.

The Chinese government wasn't basing her optimism in dealing with the Koizumi nuts on reality.

Instead, the optimism was based on false hopes that East Asia could unite politically as the EU did.

But how can Japan become independent of the U.S.?  Afterall, the Americans are still their benefactors.

This is the prevailing mood as a recent article said:

With no immediate signs to show China and Japan will soon break away from the long-standing awkward status quo in bilateral ties, characterized by many as "politically cold and economically warm," any major diplomatic personnel change by either side could have profound implications.

The recent appointment of Wang Yi, former deputy foreign minister, as Chinese ambassador to Japan has sent an unambiguous message that Beijing hopes to improve stalled bilateral ties with Tokyo.

A senior diplomat who can speak fluent Japanese and is familiar with Japanese affairs, Wang's appointment attests to the Chinese Government's great concern for its ties with Japan.

Since Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi took office in early 2001, China and Japan have suffered a terribly chilly relationship rarely seen in bilateral diplomatic history.

The two countries have not seen exchanges of mutual visits by State leaders in the previous three years. Even exchanges of ministerial-level officials between the two neighbours have been greatly reduced compared with the years preceding the Koizumi government. Worse, the number of people holding hostility towards each other is on the increase in the two countries.

All these are extremely unlucky for the two influential nations in the Asia-Pacific region and the two neighbours with highly interdependent economic ties.

For these, Koizumi's administration has taken unshirkable responsibilities.

Since taking office, Koizumi has paid an annual pilgrimage to the Tokyo-based Yasukuni Shrine, which honours 2.5 million Japanese war dead, among which are 14 convicted Class-A war criminals, such as World War II-era leader Hideki Tojo.

He has also said many times that he will continue visiting the shrine in the future despite strong opposition from victimized neighbours, including China. Both Koizumi's words and actions have offended the Chinese.

Under Koizumi's rule, a handful of Japanese rightist forces have made accelerated efforts to revise the country's historical textbooks in an attempt to embellish Tokyo's aggressive war in China during World War II.

From time to time, the Koizumi government challenges China's sovereignty over the Diaoyu Islands and its ownership of the continental shelf in the East China Sea.

In a recent proclamation, a Japanese think-tank linked to Koizumi claimed that China serves as a threat to Japan.

A series of provocative words and actions by high-ranking officials in the Koizumi Government have not only caused deep misgivings among the Chinese as to whether Tokyo is sincere in its wishes to develop friendly ties with China, but has also caused dissatisfaction among some insightful Japanese.

Yukio Hatoyama, a top member of the opposition Democratic Party, recently criticized Koizumi's China diplomacy.

He said Koizumi's visits to the shrine are harming Japan's national interests and chilling its relations with China to the bone.

The current Sino-Japanese ties have worried people in both countries who want a reverse in trends which are in neither country's interest.

Ambassador Wang's appointment to Japan demonstrates China's wishes and its willingness to make a voluntary step forward to this end.

Certainly Wang, with all his competence and merits, will do what he can to mend and advance Sino-Japanese relations.

But Wang himself and the Chinese Government alone cannot steer Sino-Japanese ties out of deep waters if the Japanese side does not make a positive response to Beijing's good will and show real sincerity in digging up the roots that grow into a deterioration of bilateral ties.

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Post time 2004-10-26 22:22:00 |Display all floors

"It is not that China does not want to forgive Japan."

"The fact of the matter is that the Japanese do not want themselves to be forgiven by anyone. To accept forgiveness means that the person recognizes that he/she has sinned." ----  by "wchao37"

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Post time 2004-10-27 06:38:56 |Display all floors

Hi, Chineseyang, maybe you can add some more of your own comments

...before I launch my own avalanche on the professor's piece.

I will have some time later tomorrow to do that.  I was trying to see if anyone has any Gaojian (global views).

Looks like the rats are all sleeping in their holes.

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Post time 2004-10-31 21:36:55 |Display all floors

I think the professor may be getting impatient

A few days ago I said I would be responding to Professor Zhao's official position on the issue but obviously we were sidetracked.

Since this issue is closely related to the overall strategic re-alighment with the Europeans, the Russians and the South Asians, I shall develop a rthesis on this subject matter as a whole instead of in a piecemeal fashion.

You will appreciate the reasons when I am done.

Be patient just a little while longer please.

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