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Post time 2018-8-9 15:11:09 |Display all floors
the us is much more agresive in going after people they dont like. they arrest people for the most trivial reasons. and when they cant find anyone to arrest, they compose sting operations. one well known example of this is "to catch a predator", a tv show where adults pose as children on the internet to entrap would be pedofiles. this is why the us has 6 times more prisoner than china per capita. they use information collected from paypal, google, and icloud to close in on their enemies. if you say something wrong, you are much more likely to end up behind bars in the us than you are in china. the us also has global reach. so if you do something the us doesnt like, they can have you arrested almost anywhere in the world. one example i can think of off the top of my head is kim.com, who was arrested in new zealand at the request of their us masters for alleged "copyright violations". now the us only publicizes a small % of cases. they are very likely going after leftists, union organizers, scientists, or anyone they want, with the information they gather from google, facebook, icloud, and paypal. this could be a reason why you dont really see any anti amerikan acvitists who live to tell about it

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Post time 2018-8-10 21:24:27 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2018-8-6 04:52
Edward Snowden has proven that nothing is safe from the prying eyes of the US government. That inclu ...

China is setting up a vast surveillance system that tracks every single one of its 1.4 billion citizens — from using facial recognition to name and shame jaywalkers, to forcing people to download apps that can access all the photos on their smartphones.

The growth of China's surveillance technology comes as the state rolls out an enormous "social credit system" that ranks citizens based on their behaviour, and doles out rewards and punishments depending on their scores.

Not much is known so far about how China will monitor its citizens for the social credit system, but some of the technology currently available in China could well be used in the system. Tech companies in China are required to share data with the government upon request.

At least 16 cities, municipalities, and provinces across China have already started using a facial recognition system that can scan the country's entire 1.4 billion-strong population — with 99.8% accuracy, Chinese state media reported.

China's facial recognition surveillance has already proven to be eerily effective: Police in Nanchang, southeastern China, managed to locate and arrest a wanted suspect out of a 60,000-person pop concert earlier this month...that's impressive.
A BBC reporter who tested a facial recognition system in Guiyang, southwest China, found that it only took seven minutes for authorities to catch him.


It is worth noting that the BBC experiment was carried out in cooperation with Guiyang police
Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. Mark Twain

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Post time 2018-8-11 14:51:00 |Display all floors
Saul Post time: 2018-8-10 21:24
China is setting up a vast surveillance system that tracks every single one of its 1.4 billion cit ...

It is just like a weapon. Good or bad depends on who wields it. We should not be too quick to judge but wait and see. There are surveillance everywhere in one form and another in the world. China is not the only country using it.

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Post time 2018-8-11 20:48:09 |Display all floors
huaqiao Post time: 2018-8-8 15:08
I believe in control to a certain extent. An absolute free internet will be filled with lies, fa ...
killing everyone else or stealing and robbing at will. That is what the internet is like without a certain control. The virtual world should be treated the same as the real world


Agreed, but my commentary on this topic is not limited to virtual world, but both virtual and real. Opinions are just opinions, and should be allowed as such in both virtual and real world. I don't criticize China for blocking critical opinions on internet, but overall.

Naturally the restrictions in virtual world affect more people, because internet empowers more people with the potential to participate in both good and bad.

You make quite a jump by going from opinions (and freedom to such) to stealing and murdering.

The western view is often, that freedoms to opinions is what reduces people's need or possibility to commit theft and murders. Violence economic, political, and physical, is usually associated with countries where those aspirations cannot be freely expressed. China is no stranger to either corruption or graft, nor to silencing political dissidents with means that do not exclude physical.

until the lie becomes the "truth". This can be done subtly without the public realising it. How do you think this can be prevented? With more freedom or with a certain amount of control like in the real world?


Control is fine, as long as it is just control, and not serving some entity to manipulate the public just like Pavlov's dog served Pavlov. Again all real world examples show that the more a state practises such control, the more likely it is also to manipulate the public toward some ideology or other goal.

You asked how to prevent that - I think that allowing competing opinions to be freely expressed is the only start. Monopoly on expression of opinions certainly does no good to that end.

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Post time 2018-8-11 21:08:59 |Display all floors
WENGEWANG Post time: 2018-8-8 17:29
does having a neutral facial expresion in driver license photo also make it faster to drive? come  ...
does having a neutral facial expresion in driver license photo also make it faster to drive?


No, but your example highlights where you come from.

You seem to assume that all surveillance can and should only serve some devious ends (in this case speeding), and because every state practises such control, we shouldn't single out China.

In you example, a photo within specified standards makes it easier to assert that the person handing police the ID is in fact the owner of that ID. Rather than enabling the person to drive faster, it helps the police to check for other violations too when they catch him breaking speed limits.

Going to your commentary about Airbnb, at least I wouldn't want strangers live in my home without showing me their ID, and if I outsource the rental to service like Airbnb, then I do expect them to check it on my behalf. But maybe you are more open-minded about things like that.

Similarly, by using PayPal I kind of agree that they have control over the money I make available to them, and I'd hope that they freeze the account if they see something suspicious that I wouldn't normally do. Now my PayPal account has never been frozen, nor have I heard much about such cases, so I don't know under what circumstances that typically occurs. Perhaps you have different experience with that too.

But for example with real name registration for SIM card purchases in China, what additional safety can the mobile operator provide to me in exchange? I can't think of anything. Rather it is that I provide the additional safety to the state.

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Post time 2018-8-12 03:17:53 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Motika at 2018-8-11 20:18

waste of time on surveillance! They should focus on telling me when I do not have  toilet paper in the bathroom
Round Up is good for developing the mind

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Post time 2018-8-12 15:23:00 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-8-11 20:48
Agreed, but my commentary on this topic is not limited to virtual world, but both virtual and re ...
The western view is often, that freedoms to opinions is what reduces people's need or possibility to commit theft and murders. Violence economic, political, and physical, is usually associated with countries where those aspirations cannot be freely expressed. China is no stranger to either corruption or graft, nor to silencing political dissidents with means that do not exclude physical.


You are saying people need to let off steam so that they can maintain a certain calm. That's true but it should not include telling lies and trying to turn the society upside down which further cause the innocent people to suffer along with it. There should be proper channels to let off steam. Furthermore, not all who are frustrated are innocent either. We must never assume everyone is innocent because that is not realistic. Guilty people can also play the victim. There are both sides to the coin. We have to first establish the facts and then decide what is right from there. Never assume one side is always right.

Control is fine, as long as it is just control, and not serving some entity to manipulate the public just like Pavlov's dog served Pavlov. Again all real world examples show that the more a state practises such control, the more likely it is also to manipulate the public toward some ideology or other goal.


I agree with you on this one. I also wish to add that people and mass media can also manipulate others and this is more dangerous because there is no way to pin point them (as they hide under the shadow of the internet) as we can pin point a government.

You asked how to prevent that - I think that allowing competing opinions to be freely expressed is the only start. Monopoly on expression of opinions certainly does no good to that end.


I agree with this too but again with an added opinion. The truth must always be the goal for any expressed opinion. One of the reason why the world is so messy and innocent people suffer is because we allow people to lie. One reason is religion. All religion teaches peace but there are individuals who misinterpret religion and become terrorists. In some religion, leaders can afford personal jets out of donations from followers. In China, buddhism has become commercialised. This is what happens when lies get out of control.

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