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Post time 2018-8-7 18:43:32 |Display all floors
huaqiao Post time: 2018-8-7 15:27
There is a need for some good IT talents to come up with a way to prevent fake news, false opinions, ...
[...] Otherwise, we all have to be careful and gather more information before coming to a conclusion.


Fake and opinionated information cannot be prevented, but what might happen is that the IT (or whatever) talents develop something to make us more careful in gathering information.

In fact China as whole is a living example of that. Chinese state restricts access to information that it cannot control, and manipulates public with what remains.

That's the other side of the coin. We can to some degree confirm the validity of real news and determine if they are fake or not, but we cannot do the same about opinions - there are no such things as "false opinions".

When you start to control things that do not even exist, you are headed to disaster.

In western world, more responsibility is put on readers digesting the information.

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Post time 2018-8-7 19:33:35 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-8-7 02:43
Fake and opinionated information cannot be prevented, but what might happen is that the IT (or w ...

Your statements:
""When you start to control things that do not even exist, you are headed to disaster.

In western world, more responsibility is put on readers digesting the information.""

First, how do you control things that do not even exist?
Secondly, putting too much responsibility on the receivers of information, true or false, led to Trump becoming president of the USA.
Don't tell me you are a supporter of Trump?
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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Post time 2018-8-7 19:59:34 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-8-7 18:43
Fake and opinionated information cannot be prevented, but what might happen is that the IT (or w ...

"restricts access to information that it cannot control, and manipulates public with what remains." i dont see how that is all that different from what the west does. like i said, do a search for us goverment ubuntu backdoor, and see what information you come back with. they dont call google gatekeepers for nothing. and it is why you need security clearance to work at google. they definitely dont want you knowing too much

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Post time 2018-8-7 21:51:51 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2018-8-7 19:33
Your statements:
""When you start to control things that do not even exist, you are headed to disa ...
First, how do you control things that do not even exist?


That's the exact problem. Trying to control "false opinions", as was mentioned by another poster in this thread, spells beginning to an end, because opinions by definition cannot be false. It creates criminals out of nowhere, and creates power out of nowhere, and assigns guilt and power to people who deserve neither.

Secondly, putting too much responsibility on the receivers of information, true or false, led to Trump becoming president of the USA. Don't tell me you are a supporter of Trump?


Firstly I'm not supporter of Trump. I would have voted for the other guy (or someone not making the final rounds), but I'm not US citizen anyway.

How much responsibility is too much is a subjective matter. In USA it is evident that the americans can't handle all the responsibilities that they are given. This extends from politics to (obviously) liberal gun laws.

At the same time in European countries, trend is to liberalize rigid regulations. For example in Finland, in last couple of years regulations governing how long stores can stay open were liberalized, and this year it became possible to grow and sell insects for food.

These are of course examples from wider range of issues where state can give either more or less responsibilities to individual citizens, than just information control. But the ideas are same.

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Post time 2018-8-7 23:38:23 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-8-7 05:51
That's the exact problem. Trying to control "false opinions", as was mentioned by another poster ...

So you're talking in circles again.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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Post time 2018-8-8 06:37:10 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2018-8-6 17:52
Edward Snowden has proven that nothing is safe from the prying eyes of the US government. That inclu ...

Don't expect cyber privacy in China. Cyber surveillance is the norm there. Thanks to surveillance cameras on every street corner and to Chinese citizens’ reliance on electronic devices in shopping, bill-paying and communications, it has never been easier for Chinese government to watch. Also China’s latest cybersecurity law, all companies operating in China, foreign and domestic, must share private data with the government to aid in official investigations.

So get off your almighty horse.

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Post time 2018-8-8 09:16:47 |Display all floors
i dont think anyone is expecting cyber privacy in china. however, here is what no one is talking about. when western leaders look at chinese surveilance, theyre most likely saying, "how can we do what the chinese are doing. how can we, as western leaders, ALSO keep tabs on western citizens". the west has been doing all the things that you mentioned since at least 2001 with 9.11 as an excuse. as far as i know, i have seen western imigration agents regularly go through peoples cell phones. no warants needed.  word is bond. as for sharing private data with goverments aid in official investigations, the west does exactly that. in the west, judges hand out warants like candy. if a western cop requests an ip adres (even for the most trivial reasons) from an isp, the isp will give it up. talk to any cop in the west, and he will tell you how easy it is for western cops to get credit card account data from credit card companies. they know where you are buying stuff, and what you buy. they know which atm's you used, and when you used them. they have your picture. if you use paypal, then you can rest asure that western cops can get all the ip logs, transactions, and any accounts that are linked without any problem. make no mistake, the west does not oppose surveilance. they're at the forefront of it. remember, it was the us who was collecting all visitor's fingerprints almost 13yrs before china began to. another interesting fact is, google, and facebook began forcing users to give up their phone numbers nearly 8 years before sina, and 163. western countries were also at the forefront of not allowing you to smile for pasport, or driver license photos. why? because it's easier for them to track you with neutral facial expression. and you see, it's never enough. the west is now using voice recognition to identify you. for many years now, facebook has infamously forced users to identify the people in their friends pictures. the us also collects tax id numbers for all bank customers WORLDWIDE, all in the name of "counterterorism". you know what though? im not buying it. check out airbnb, an amerikan hotel booking site. want to sign up for this great service? guess what, you got to send them a goverment issued id. now wouldnt that come in handy for the us goverment to track people and where they are staying? wonder how many airbnb users have been picked up just for using airbnb. want to get on a plane? guess what? all passenger lists must be sent to the us for "review". in this world, god doesnt decide if youre worthy to fly, the us rejime does. maybe its the west that needs to get off its almighty horse.

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