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"UNPRECEDENTED" DANGER FLASHING RED IN THE MIDDLE EAST - BEWARE!   [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2015-11-29 13:08:13 |Display all floors
This post was edited by abramicus at 2015-11-29 13:18
Revolutionar Post time: 2015-11-29 12:49
The Turkey Republic is founded on defeating the Caliph.

The Turks are the best hope for a unit ...

Turkey is in big trouble right now.  Nothing can save it but Erdogan's courage to accept the responsibility for what his pilots did, and regain his leadership and mandate to rule thereby.  Otherwise, Turkey becomes a passive player, and victim to further events that are outside of its control.  That's the Art of Leadership.  You sometimes can advance only by taking one step back.  If you cannot, will not, or dare not, you lose your ability to and authority to lead.  Simple, as it is.

Although it takes two to Tango, in politics, you cannot really do a Tango all the time, because the man is always advancing, the woman, always retreating, which makes the dance less balanced and less nice to look at.  

In politics, you want to be fair and square and still do your thing with grace and with dignity, so you want to do a Waltz, you move quick and slow, right and left, forward and backward, and even if you end up where you started, your movements would have changed the world around you, otherwise, why would it be watching you?



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Post time 2015-11-29 15:16:37 |Display all floors
abramicus Post time: 2015-11-29 15:08
Turkey is in big trouble right now.  Nothing can save it but Erdogan's courage to accept the respon ...

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Post time 2015-11-29 17:48:47 |Display all floors
KIyer Post time: 2015-11-29 15:16
if you are seriously debating Revolutionar here are some tips you might find useful

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Good point.  It is quite obvious to most of us that Revolutionar is a paid propagandist, and not a very smart one.  I have no expectation debating with him would lead to any conclusion.  However, his mistakes are worth magnifying every now and then.  It gives him a run for his paycheck, and proof to his employer that he was doing hard work.

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Post time 2015-11-29 18:07:07 |Display all floors
THE LOSER IN THE SHOOTING DOWN OF THE RUSSIAN PLANE APPEARS TO BE ERDOGAN.


THE KILLING OF A DISSIDENT IN ANKARA YESTERDAY WHO DECLARED THAT THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT WAS SUPPLYING AND AIDING I.S. CASTS A DARKER PALL ON HIS DIMMING REPUTATION AMONG EVEN HIS NATO ALLIES, WHILE LENDING CREDENCE TO RUSSIA'S ACCUSATIONS OF EXACTLY THE SAME THING THE DISSIDENT HAD DECLARED BEFORE HIS MURDER.

IT IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE APPARENT THAT WHILE THE OPERATION TO SHOOT DOWN THE RUSSIAN PLANE MAY HAVE BEEN PRE-MEDITATED, IT WAS PROBABLY NOT PLANNED WITH THE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OR PARTICIPATION OF ERDOGAN, WHICH IN ITSELF IS STUNNING, AS ITS NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL IMPLICATIONS ARE SO BROAD THAT HIS IGNORANCE OF THE OPERATION RAISES THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT HE IS REALLY IN CONTROL.  THIS LEADS TO A LOSE-LOSE SCENARIO.  IF HE IS IN CONTROL, HE IS IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND THE GENEVA CONVENTION, AND NATO HAS THE RIGHT TO DEMAND EITHER HE STEPS DOWN OR TURKEY WILL BE BOOTED OUT (DITTO FOR THE EU).  IF HE IS NOT IN CONTROL, NATO CAN ALSO DEMAND THAT HE STEP DOWN, AND HAVE THE PEOPLE ELECT SOMEONE WHO IS MORE RESPONSIBLE.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER, HIS ONLY WAY TO RETAIN POWER IS TO SHOW HE IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MISTAKES MADE BY HIS SUBORDINATES, APOLOGIZE AND COMPENSATE, AS WELL AS COURT-MARTIAL THE CULPRITS.  ANY ATTEMPT TO MUDDY THE WATERS ONLY MAKES HIS AUTHORITY LOOK UNREAL, WHICH WILL LEAD TO INSUBORDINATION, INSURRECTION AND EVENTUAL FALL FROM POWER.  GOING FORWARD, NATO MAY DEMAND TURKEY EXPLAIN TO IT WHY IT TOOK THE MILITARY ACTION OF DOWNING THE RUSSIAN PLANE, WHICH WILL LEAD TO AN INDICTMENT BY HAGUE DUE TO WHAT IS LIKELY TO BE DEEMED A WAR CRIME, OR THUGGERY.  YOU CAN SEE THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL.  IT IS SAD.


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Post time 2015-11-29 18:30:04 |Display all floors
abramicus Post time: 2015-11-29 19:48
Good point.  It is quite obvious to most of us that Revolutionar is a paid propagandist, and not a ...

Yes, use his posts when it suits you, rarely, but he does not deserve much attention. it only gives his post some weight they really don't deserve if you respond to him too often.
You should watch him get desperate for attention and get wilder and wilder to try and get a response from you.
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Post time 2015-11-30 05:34:52 |Display all floors
This post was edited by abramicus at 2015-11-30 05:37

THE TURKISH VERSION OF EVENTS MIGHT STILL BE TRUE

Early on November 24, 2015, the Washington Times published an article stating "Army Col. Steve Warren, the top military spokesman in Baghdad, confirmed the Turk’s version of events in saying they repeatedly warned the two Russian SU-24 pilots to back off."

The whole issue then is what the facts really are.

Either side should show some manliness to admit it made a mistake, but all this squabbling can only make a bad situation worse.  It does not go away by mere denial.  Someone has to show responsibility.

It is getting to be more like a fight among school kids.

When the teacher intervenes and asks who started it, everyone is pointing to someone else.  This is silly.  It is immature.

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Post time 2015-12-1 01:46:32 |Display all floors
This post was edited by abramicus at 2015-12-1 01:52

NATO BACKS TURKEY'S RIGHT TO DEFENSE AND U.S. BACKS ITS VERSION OF EVENTS - SO, WAS RUSSIA THEREFORE WRONG BOTH ON FACTS AND ON REASON?

Reuters had this to say today:

"Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Nov. 26 he was waiting for an apology after Turkey's air force shot down the Su-24 fighter jet close to the Turkey-Syria border. Russian officials have said the plane was at no time over Turkey.

Putin has also said Russia told the United States of the Russian jet's flight plan, something the U.S. envoy to NATO denied on Monday, saying U.S.-Russia cooperation in Syria was limited to broader rules on safety measures.

"The U.S. data that I have seen corroborates Turkey's version of events. The airplane was in Turkey, it was engaged in Turkey, it had been warned repeatedly," Ambassador Douglas Lute told reporters.

"There was no flight plan issued for a violation of NATO airspace.""

(Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2 ... XaI1vxOCwImueutW.99)
FOR NOW, AT LEAST, THINGS ARE COOLING DOWN, WITH THE CLIMATE SUMMIT AND THE REFUGEE CRISIS TAKING CENTER STAGE . . . BUT THE WORLD NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT THE RISK OF ANOTHER SIMILAR INCIDENT.


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