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Great Leap Forward Did Worse Damage than Cultural Revolution   [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2015-11-22 22:47:10 |Display all floors
Though accurate statistics are lacking, there is a general consensus that many more Chinese starved during the Great Leap than during the Cultural Revolution. Political evolution in China will eventually result in the gathering and publication of more accurate statistics. This seems reasonable because the out-put of China's economy had increased by the time of the CR.


Starvation was the big thing out of the Great Leap Forward because Mao had the entire country melting down metal for weapons instead of growing crops for the country to eat, whilst encouraging many children to create a giant Red Army that he wanting to take over the entire world with. That was his plan.  The entire world could see that something terrible was about to happen as soon as the harvest came around and there was nothing. Even their comrade in arms Russia, could see massive problems and offered to help, send food, provide help in any way. But Mao has too much pride and refused to lose face by admitting there was a problem. He refused outside help, and millions upon millions starved to death. People were eating the bark off trees. That's the ever lasting effect that is still felt today with these people, that's why they're slightly retarded and so primitive with their ways of eating. They suffered, they lived in genuine fear of starvation, and it screwed up their brains, did permanent damage.

The Cultural Revolution wasn't so much about starvation, just the complete smashing of the culture, and destroying all education making everyone stupid and brain dead. This event was just as bad at the time, probably worse, it was absolute brutal oppression even worse than North Korea today. But this is the event China is slowly recovering from. That country is building again, repairing temples, acknowledging their incredible and amazing history. They've still got a lot of work to do, the people are extremely materialistic at the moment, how ironic that they're even more capitalistic than the western nations they were so against during the Cultural Revolution, now they're even worse than we are. All the other aspects that make up a developed civilised culture, everything that was smashed and lost in the Cultural REvolution, are still developing, but making a lot of progress. I really hope China gets there one day, the people of China deserve and happy life after all the garbage of previous generations they have been through.

But the damage done by the Great Leap Forward to the minds of that generation of people was permanent. You can't fix that, it was permanent damage.

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Post time 2015-11-22 23:11:58 |Display all floors
This post was edited by sfphoto at 2015-11-22 23:21
Ted180 Post time: 2015-11-22 22:25
Though accurate statistics are lacking, there is a general consensus that many more Chinese starved  ...

There are statistics that show both population and life expectancy DOUBLED from 1949 to 1976. So the CPC did solve the perennial problems of hunger, disease, opium-addiction, etc. during the Maoist Era. Western propaganda likes to use the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward as a trope to demonize Mao while ignoring his political achievements which liberated hundreds of millions from feudal oppression, opium-addiction, gangster-capitalist exploitation, imperialist subjugation, etc.

To this day, Western propagandists even ignore what Chinese Socialism has achieved after having split from Soviet Communism since the 1960s. Chinese Socialism has moved so far beyond Soviet Communism in the same way that Nordic Social Democracy has moved so far beyond Anglo-American Capitalist Oligarchy as to warrant a separate category. In the political spectrum of ideological systems, Chinese Socialism occupies the moderate Left while Nordic Social Democracy fits into the moderate Right. Both Soviet Communism and Anglo-American Capitalist Oligarchy occupy the extreme Left and extreme Right respectively.

The fact that political discourse in the Capitalist West completely ignores the ideological distinctions between Chinese Socialism and Soviet Communism on the Left hand and Nordic Social Democracy and Anglo-American Capitalist Oligarchy on the Right hand merely proves the lack of political sophistication in the Capitalist West. Instead of displaying political maturity, the Western media distorts historical reality by propagating childish non-sense which is oft-repeated ad nauseum by Western posters who blindly regurgitate Western propaganda here.



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Post time 2015-11-22 23:35:31 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2015-11-22 09:04
I see the OP is one of those who decided to move to and live in a country he despises.
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The great leap forward happened 1958-1961 and even the Chinese see it as a great failure and a huge mistake.

The June 59 project was completed 1964, much later than GLF.

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Post time 2015-11-22 23:40:24 |Display all floors
There are statistics that show both population and life expectancy DOUBLED from 1949 to 1976. So the CPC did solve the perennial problems of hunger, disease, opium-addiction, etc. during the Maoist Era. Western propaganda likes to use the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward as a trope to demonize Mao while ignoring his political achievements which liberated hundreds of millions from feudal oppression, opium-addiction, gangster-capitalist exploitation, imperialist subjugation, etc.

To this day, Western propagandists even ignore what Chinese Socialism has achieved after having split from Soviet Communism since the 1960s. Chinese Socialism has moved so far beyond Soviet Communism in the same way that Nordic Social Democracy has moved so far beyond Anglo-American Capitalist Oligarchy as to warrant a separate category. In the political spectrum of ideological systems, Chinese Socialism occupies the moderate Left while Nordic Social Democracy fits into the moderate Right. Both Soviet Communism and Anglo-American Capitalist Oligarchy occupy the extreme Left and extreme Right respectively.

The fact that political discourse in the Capitalist West completely ignores the ideological distinctions between Chinese Socialism and Soviet Communism on the Left hand and Nordic Social Democracy and Anglo-American Capitalist Oligarchy on the Right hand merely proves the lack of political sophistication in the Capitalist West. Instead of displaying political maturity, the Western media distorts historical reality by propagating childish non-sense which is oft-repeated ad nauseum by Western posters who blindly regurgitate Western propaganda here.


Look, you raise valid points there buddy, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, particularly the way western media never mention these things, there are other things Mao did also such as womens rights, instead of them just having bound feet and being called a number (3rd daughter or something) instead of a name.
You can also argue that these things would have happened anyway as the world and China gradually modernised, the natural progression of the human race. Maybe quicker under someone who wasn't so psychopathic.
But yes, buddy, im not some pro west China basher, i hate western people that do that to china, i am not one of those, but when i see a spade, ill call it a spade, you get no smoke and mirrors with me, ill simply call out something as i see it, not taking any sides, just open opinions.

I think the great leap forward screwed the minds of that particular generation of people, permanently. Of course that wasn't maos intention, but it happened, and it was his fault, and instead of admitting error his pride and ego took over which caused the deaths of millions. Anyway, im not here to talk about mao, i didmt write this post for that, i was just writing to say how the great leap forward affected my wifes parents more than the cultural revolution.

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Post time 2015-11-22 23:57:54 |Display all floors
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middleway Post time: 2015-11-22 23:40
Look, you raise valid points there buddy, I agree with a lot of what you are saying, particularly  ...

You betray your ignorance of Chinese history. There are almost a 1,000 recorded famines in China's 2,000+ years of history. For thousands of years, famine was a way of life for Chinese peasants living off the land. Droughts, floods, pests, storms only added to the pestilence. Chinese literature is full of stories about the times of want and the need to persevere. That has imbued the Chinese with a sense of stoicism when confronted with both natural and man-made disasters.

Even the People's Revolution led by Mao is nothing new to China which has a LONG history of peasant uprisings.

Even your culinary knowledge is wanting: there is nothing "brain-damaged" about boiling bones for soup; that's how you get the nutrients from animals.

Even your knowledge of Chinese social customs is quite bizarre: Chinese social life revolves around family and food is how Chinese people celebrate life...literally by "eating food". Going to restaurants with family and friends is considered a social event which makes Chinese restaurants noisy because there's always a party going on. This is often mistaken as "rudeness" but that's how Chinese celebrate life! Greeting someone with "have you eaten" is a way of affirming life. Chinese rituals often feature food as the central theme: mooncakes, food offerings, etc. Chinese festivals mark the seasons for harvesting food. Chinese weddings feature food as the main event: the wedding banquet. Chinese Civilization originated from the rice cultures of the Yellow and Yangtse River basins. Chinese invented ceramics for eating food which became known simply as "China".


Sorry but I don't think you know what you're talking about.



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Post time 2015-11-23 00:22:56 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2015-11-22 15:04
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Yeah, sure. The people starving were dreaming of having nukes for their country.
In 1962 my wive's sister died before reaching one years old. Starvation and Dysentery.
A least now we know what her last thoughts were, thank!

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Post time 2015-11-23 00:25:38 |Display all floors
Meanwhile in the USA we dump tons of good food in the trash and send billions of dollars to feed others.

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