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No Other Two Countries Have Shared a Common History and Sovereignty for So Long. [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2015-4-10 13:11:27 |Display all floors
Vietnam got some of Chinese characters in occupying land and assimilating its people. Vietnam of this time is not the same Vietnam of old days. Vietnamese totally subjugated and assimilated the cham empire as well as its lands and took away lands from Ho Chi Minh to the tip of Ca Mau when the Cambodian Khmer empire was weak. Cambodians still call Ho Chi Minh city as prey kanor.

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Post time 2015-4-10 13:36:49 |Display all floors
manoj10 Post time: 2015-4-10 13:11
Vietnam got some of Chinese characters in occupying land and assimilating its people. Vietnam of thi ...

Vietnam has been separated from China for an equal time that it was once a part of China, over a thousand years, so China has no intention of retaking or reunifying with a Vietnam that has grown into a different country.  The problem is that when Vietnam separated from China, it shared the same seas that it was sharing with China before the separation, and the sea being so vast, its resources so immense, without any oil to be exploited as its utility was not known in antiquity, Vietnam has been sharing the same courtyard as China for another thousand years.  So, how do you now divide the courtyard that was never given to the son who wanted to take his inheritance 1047 years ago, and who was allowed to continue to use it?  Now, he wants the courtyard that serves the maritime needs of 1.3 billion people, as contrasted to its 0.09 billion people?  That is less than 1% of China's per capita claim over the South China Sea whose islands have been discovered and used by Chinese fishermen for well over 2,000 years. It would be a tremendous gesture of goodwill for China to give Vietnam a significant share of the maritime resources of the South China Sea, but Vietnam cannot claim all of it, as if it were still a part of the China it separated from 1,047 years ago.  Countries that have a history of less than 2000 years really cannot understand or solve this kind of a problem.

It would be a fatal mistake for any power to threaten China with war, even on a nuclear scale, because that is when China will be forced to use all its resources and all its power to win, in order to survive, and that is the equivalent of 1/5th of humanity on the move, 24/7, 365 days of the year.



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Post time 2015-4-10 14:07:48 |Display all floors
abramicus Post time: 2015-4-10 13:00
You cannot even pronounce correctly what you taught the Vietnamese to use as their alphabet.  Path ...

How can you talk of me pronouncing anything when I am writing not speaking? It just goes to show you have no clue about what you are posting

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Post time 2015-4-10 14:08:52 |Display all floors
abramicus Post time: 2015-4-10 13:36
Vietnam has been separated from China for an equal time that it was once a part of China, over a t ...

So you are saying that bully boy tactics are right then?

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Post time 2015-4-10 15:58:32 |Display all floors
seneca Post time: 2015-4-10 14:12
"Gopldstein"

Sorry, the guy's name is Goldman.

Old Forked-Tongue Seneca gets tongue-tied when he is lying in a fit.  Fatsu on the other hand does not speak because he writes.  Two clowns trying to prolong the myth to the Vietnamese readers that they are after all Sons of Frenchmen, to no avail, even if Seneca tried to contract 1,180 years of Vietnam being a part of the celestial empire into 9 centuries (his math, which sucks, so don't trust their deals BTW).  

So, our Aryan-supremacist detractors have become one, tongue-tied, the other dumb, and innumerate as well as illiterate (cannot even spell Goldstein correctly) in the face of the HISTORIC TRUTH that Vietnam and China were indeed one country for more than one thousand long years, longer than the existence of the Roman Empire.

Rubbish aside, the main theme of this thread is that Vietnam and China have so much in common, in culture, in language, in philosophy, and now, we all realize, in a common maritime resource that we have shared without any conflict for more than a thousand years until the LOS fellows came up with EEZ's that maketh mine not thine, and vice versa, and which forces both countries to deal with this dilemma of the modern age, where property is always private unless proven otherwise.  But, no problem, we can still define a new term, and create a new reality, unhindered by the mental straitjacket that LOS imposes on all the smaller countries, no wonder the world's superpower refused to sign on to it, because of its inherent inconsistencies that are designed to cause countries to quibble and quarrel over resources they otherwise would have continued to share for centuries to come.  That NEW NORMAL of the Law of the Sea with Sino-Vietnamese Characteristics is the concept of the INCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE, which excludes other countries, like the Philippines which wants exclusive rights to the South China Sea, but which includes China and Vietnam which are willing to share the maritime resources in a region where both have fished for two millennia or more, even if it technically and legally still belonged to the original owner, China, of which Vietnam was a part, for over a thousand years, until 968 AD.

THIS IS THE FAIR ASIAN AND CONFUCIAN SOLUTION TO THE CHAOS CREATED BY THE UNCLOS DEFINITION OF MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE EEZ'S WHERE IEZ'S ARE INSTEAD NEEDED.

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Post time 2015-4-10 18:44:06 |Display all floors
In the end, you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.  The truth is that Vietnam and China were for 1,180 years both part of the same country.  No wonder it is so hard to divide them, culturally, linguistically, and geographically.  

Seneca and Fatsu are working hard still at cutting off the hand that was Vietnam, even though the hand is shouting HALT, HALT, WE NEED THE BODY TO LIVE AND PROSPER, as there s no possibility of Vietnam achieving any degree of prosperity without having peace and cooperating with China.  

Vietnam has a choice, to be part of the family again, or to remain an outsider to his own kin.  It should not take any thought.  The Westerners, for all their mastery of their alphabet, cannot pronounce Vietnamese words, but the Chinese, for all their ignorance of the Romanized writing of Vietnamese, could easily understand them - isn't that a miracle in itself?





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Post time 2015-4-10 20:34:40 |Display all floors
the bottom truth is that china MUST not push (no longer a colonial era & vnm can ask for foreign help not just china has the soviets standin by) vietnam around & should be considerin vietnam as an annex klose friend rather than enemy...always follow the footsteps of the US...sweet talk then make your move slowly & china is just too aggressive that just wont work for PEOPLE)  
a man who uses his hands is a laborer. one who uses his hands and his mind is a craftsman. but he who uses his hands, his mind, and his heart, is an artist...

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