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Post time 2014-9-25 09:21:52 |Display all floors
China has taken the Western deinition of "squatters rights" and "occupy" to a new level in the ocean waters off the eastern seaboard of the mainland.

First --under current China property law if a property of structure has been abandoned for any reason it is cannot be used for any purpose without the registered owners consent. If a farmhouse is vacant--another family who say-------has no home or wants a larger home is violating the law by moving in and making the building and land habitable.

If the land is not used for farming .... the registered owner loses the rights to the property and all structures.
But here is a new twist.....

Reef's---by international definition -----is a rock of sand bar beneath the surface of the water and in some cases may have sand, rock or coral above the surface of the water.

Since February China has begun the task of creating a habitable above water surface land structure in order to Occupy and claim rights to the water and mineral rights--which may or not be able to control the shipping lanes or "fishing traffic" in the area.

Simply put--while all other nations who claim rights to some areas of the sea and using the International Commissions rectify disputes and avoid confrontations which could lead to property and life losses..China has taken the back door approach to make their claim of rights.

Maybe it is time for the US to lay claim to all the islands and lands off the coast of Florida and the Caribbean sea......oops--can't do that------most of the small island nations live under Third World conditions and would become welfare states. to an already overburdened system of taking care of the poor with subsidies and health care.

Since there are no human inhabitants in these six areas of concern currently China would not have the burden of caring for the poor or health care. But just like squatters------once they move in it is very difficult to evict or remove them if they do not want to leave ort have no place to go. Doesn't China have enough land that isn't being used already?


Why can't the Billions of hectares of mainland China be converted into habitable land and resources ? OOps==I forgot China wants to control the Sea lanes all through the China sea and east Indian Ocean.

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Post time 2014-9-25 10:32:17 |Display all floors
China has solid historically verifiable sovereignty over all the islands it is building on.  Jealous?  Your arguments hold no water.  How about a sip of vinegar?  Or gall?  Does it feel better now?

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Post time 2014-9-25 21:36:01 |Display all floors
1. You mouth about the Property Law of China, but you knew nothing about it.

If the land is not used for farming .... the registered owner loses the rights to the property and all structures.
But here is a new twist.....

There are not any so-called registered owners  of land in China. All the land belongs to the country.

2. China has every legal justification and historical ground to build in our land.

3. It just shows you are ignorant if you try to play innocent when you talk about unsavory occupation of American continent. You might need go over the nasty history of Uncle Sam and learned about "Trail of Tears" .

Here's an excerpt of an article from the UN.

What seems even more appalling for contemporary minds is that the subjugation of the native peoples of the New World was legally sanctioned. "Laws" of "discovery", "conquest" and "terra nullius" made up the "doctrines of dispossession", according to Erica Irene Daes, chairperson/rapporteur of the United Nations Working Group on Indigenous Populations, in a study on indigenous peoples and their relationship to land.

You should go keep your nose clean before you groundlessly accuse China again.

There is one spectacle grander than the sea, that is the sky; there is one spectacle grander than the sky, that is the interior of the soul.-Victor Hugo

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Post time 2014-9-26 07:45:44 |Display all floors
This post was edited by BoMiller at 2014-9-26 08:24

I wish to thank those who have pointed out land rights in China.

Ownership rights are protected under Article 39 of The Property Law of the People’s Republic of China, which gives the owner the right to possess, utilize, dispose of and obtain profits from the real property. However, this right has to comply with laws and social morality. It can harm neither public interests nor the legitimate rights and interests of others.

Usufructuary rights

The owner of a usufructuary right has the right to possess, utilize and obtain profits from the real properties owned by others. The obligee may not intervene in the exercise of rights by the owner of the usufructuary right

Obtaining land use rights

A land user obtains only the land use right, not the land or any resources in or below the land.[23] A land grant contract shall be entered into between the land user and the land administration department of the people’s government at municipal or county level.

The land grant contract must be signed. Land use rights can be obtained from the land administration department by agreement, tender or auction. Regardless of the method by which the land use rights is granted, a contract for grant of land use right, or more commonly known as a land grant contract, must be entered into by the land user and the local land administration authority or municipal governments at or above the county level as grantor.

Article 12 of the Provisional Regulations on Grant and Assignment of Urban State-owned Land Use Right states the different duration of rights provided for different purposes.

These Articles define mainland definitions. Even in the PRC Articles of Land there is little if any definitions outside the 12 mile rule. But China can always make a law--just as Russia and the Crimea--then lay claim to lets say---a reef off the Great Barrier Reef.

Or--using China's definition of land and sea..I suppose the US could claim all the ocean surface-sea bed and 12 mile air rights between California and Hawaii and also  use the 200 mile ADF rule eh? The Pacific Ocean would then become the California Sea.

Just the Facts 'Mam  ,,just the facts.

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Post time 2014-9-26 10:15:30 |Display all floors
BoMiller Post time: 2014-9-26 07:45
I wish to thank those who have pointed out land rights in China.

Ownership rights are protected un ...

Beating around the bush gets you nowhere except into the thorns of self-contradiction and irrelevance, good job though.  Now we know you are totally confused.

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Post time 2014-9-26 18:42:15 |Display all floors
This post was edited by incarnationabc at 2014-9-26 18:42
BoMiller Post time: 2014-9-26 07:45
I wish to thank those who have pointed out land rights in China.

Ownership rights are protected un ...


It seems to me that you are led on a wild goose chase and try to twist laws of China to justify hegemonism of Uncle Sam on the Earth.

Fact 1: You don't have to have any mandate from the UN, and you guys invaded into Iraq and wreched the country, ruined its people, looting their oil and palace, beheading their President, under the false pretences.

Fact 2: You don't have to take any mandate from Syria President, and its people, and you guys bomb them.

Fact 3: You can access Aghanistan without formally notifying its President, as if that sovereign country is your oversea backyard, or vassal.
...

All of these and more facts invite a question why Uncle Sam, the global tyrant, needs to grab any excuses for its terrority claim? No, it needn't.

Your arguments are feeble, lame, and ridiculous. Keep treading water!
There is one spectacle grander than the sea, that is the sky; there is one spectacle grander than the sky, that is the interior of the soul.-Victor Hugo

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Post time 2014-9-27 08:18:13 |Display all floors
Seems the original post has been hijacked and sent on a different mission, one that I for one, do not choose to pursue--Good luck with the bait and switch--

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