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Post time 2004-6-17 15:30:12 |Display all floors

To: thirdrock - Re: right

Not bad troisieme roche; like the analysis.
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Post time 2004-6-20 05:27:33 |Display all floors

to THIRDROCK---more on Descartes

The Encyclopedia Brittanica is the most authoritative publication of its kind in English.  Major articles are written by leading outside experts.  Vol.15 contains a piece of about 5000 words captioned "Cartesianism, Descartes and".

   Some excerpts:

   (p.555)  "knowledge from sensory experience is declared (by Descartes) untrustworthy because people  somestimes mistake one thing for another, as with mirages."

   (p.555)Descartes finds certainty in the intuition that when he is thinking, even if deceived, he exists."

   (p.559)"Descartes' influence is so pervasive...that all Western philosophy.can be said to be Cartesian."  Philosophy was my major at the university, but the forgot to tell me that.  Live and learn.

   (p.559)  ("(His stress on mastery of nature, including man, has led to the contemporary sense of 'Cartesian' as standing for everything that is crassly materialistic, logical, unfeeling, and inhuman in science, technology and society.  Descartes  said only that he wanted to serve humanity."

     It's been quite some time since I last  consultted the EB; doing so was a lot of fun.  Thanks for getting me there.

    The sculpture is Rodin's  "The Thinker"..Or is it "The Perceiver"?

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Post time 2004-6-20 08:55:26 |Display all floors

the thinker?

Put yourself into that pose and see if you can get any thinking done.

Maybe Rodin was making "the poser".

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Post time 2004-6-20 09:01:32 |Display all floors

re: more on perception

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(p.555) "knowledge from sensory experience is declared (by Descartes) untrustworthy because people somestimes mistake one thing for another, as with mirages."
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This has to do with the conclusions people draw from their perceptions, which are subjective and shaped by their beliefs.
But this does not negate the fact that they percieved, only that the "meaning" of their perceptions is probably wrong.

If you percieve, then you exist. There is no more profound truth than that. It cannot be denied by reason, logic or experience.  Everything you would use to deny that simple truth would require you to percieve, thus negating the argument.

Again, there is one simple truth that can never be denied.
If you pervcieve, you exist.

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Post time 2004-6-20 11:08:11 |Display all floors

Trivia - Comment

“The Thinker” represents Dante looking down into the inferno from the top of the “Gates of Hell”.

We believe ourselves to be Dante, but are we not only part of the masses looking up for salvation by proclaiming our existence.

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Post time 2004-6-24 05:07:02 |Display all floors

Trivial roadmap

The route to salvation may pass through hell.  The theme recurs in the mythology of vaious cultures, and in their art.  The phrase "Dark Night of the Soul" comes to mind.  (not original)

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