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Author: DSseeing    Time: 2013-12-30 14:18:34     Title: Man pursues 'Chinese dream' in New York

A Chinese street vendor sells northwestern Chinese snacks, such as liangpi (凉皮, cold noodles), roujiamo (肉夹馍, Chinese hamburger) and yangrouchuan (羊肉串, lamb shashlik), in front of the gate of Columbia University in Manhattan, New York.

The vendor, Xie Yunfeng, arrived in the US two years ago from Luoyang, China. Having worked as a cook and a decoration worker in several US states, he settled down in New York and started his own business—selling northwestern Chinese snacks from his cart.

Recent reports say that he partners with another Chinese and will open up a hotpot restaurant which extends 1,000 square meters.

He denied the rumor on the Internet that he could earn $800 every day. “It’s too exaggerated. I don’t know what made people think it’s easy for me to earn dollars?” he laughed.
After his story goes public this year, the competition of business is growing tough. He said that there are three new carts selling Chinese snacks in the area.

The New York government has strict rules and regulations on street vendors and their carts. They send staff out to check on an irregular basis. A street vendor can be fined for breach of any of the rules and regulations. After being ticketed, the street vendor has to go to court. He has been fined twice and paid over $2,000 in compensation.

His wife and daughter are still in China and his son has joined PLA. He misses them very much.
Life is getting better and better now. He purchased a white car.


Author: DSseeing    Time: 2013-12-30 14:19:06

Tasting a bit of China


Author: DSseeing    Time: 2013-12-30 14:19:47

Business is not bad


Author: DSseeing    Time: 2013-12-30 14:21:01

His white car is parked by the roadside


Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2013-12-30 22:15:25

I don't understand why you mention Chinese Dream ? It seems to me this is more the American Dream as depicted by the propaganda (the immigrant who comes to the US with nothing and manage to make a good life for himself).
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-30 22:30:41

MisterPanda Post time: 2013-12-30 22:15
I don't understand why you mention Chinese Dream ? It seems to me this is more the American Dream as ...

And it appears he is trading without a licence as the OP says he has twice been fined, I wonder what his visa says.
Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2013-12-30 22:39:00

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-30 22:30
And it appears he is trading without a licence as the OP says he has twice been fined, I wonder wh ...

I think if he was trading without a license he would have been kicked out already.

A street vendor can be fined for breach of any of the rules and regulations


I don't know about New York but I did sell cards in the streets when I was a student and the rules on which they would try and get us the most often was that we had to stay at a minimum of 70cm from the shops windows in the street and, since we did not always had a ruler in hand and sometimes there can be a lot of pedestrian traffic, we would sometimes be within less than 70cm of the store window.

What I'm more concerned about is this

After his story goes public this year, the competition of business is growing tough. He said that there are three new carts selling Chinese snacks in the area.


I hate these kinds of bloodsucking parasites without an ounce of originality. Mister Xie is working hard, has a good idea and, after he created a market for him these people come and try to steal it from him instead of coming up with an original idea for doing business
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-30 22:44:20

MisterPanda Post time: 2013-12-30 22:39
I think if he was trading without a license he would have been kicked out already.

According to the OP "After being ticketed, the street vendor has to go to court. He has been fined twice and paid over $2,000 in compensation." so it appears he has no licence.

This is a Chinese thing where everyone jumps on the bandwagon when they see someone doing well, in the end nobody can make it pay.
Author: forget-me-not    Time: 2013-12-30 23:40:19

What is Chinese dream exactly? To buy a house and car,and to marry a beautiful wife/handsome husband,and to have kids? Is it the Chinese dream for everybody?{:soso_e132:}
Author: snappysammy    Time: 2013-12-31 03:04:54

Most Americans don't like Northern Chinese food.....they like Traditional American Chinese food.....My guess is the only people At Columbia buying food from this cart are Chinese Students.....
Author: jay_dee    Time: 2013-12-31 10:32:04

Yup
Author: daniel_hs_walsh    Time: 2013-12-31 14:31:24

肉夹馍 is actually similar to a burger, so i think many people would like this, maybe not many people will buy noddles, but i can see 肉夹馍 being popular!
Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2013-12-31 14:37:36

a hawker in New York only la.


Never seen a hawker ah?




Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2013-12-31 14:39:50

all these interests

is it because it is New York , and everybody loves NY ?

or because he looks cute and handsome in the photo ?





Author: F111    Time: 2013-12-31 16:05:16

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-30 22:30
And it appears he is trading without a licence as the OP says he has twice been fined, I wonder wh ...

That is the Chinese Dream, laws are just an abstract idea.
Author: woodburn    Time: 2013-12-31 16:35:30

Good to see Chinese Dream rather than American Nightmare.

This shows how hard working and clever the Chinese are compared to big fat huge obese big belly lazy dumb yanks sitting on their large @ss all day just thinking of thieving off of someone.
Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2013-12-31 16:46:41

woodburn Post time: 2013-12-31 16:35
Good to see Chinese Dream rather than American Nightmare.

This shows how hard working and clever th ...

Now Chinese dream is just hawker in NY...........shame.





Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-31 18:46:32

F111 Post time: 2013-12-31 16:05
That is the Chinese Dream, laws are just an abstract idea.

Dream on
Author: F111    Time: 2013-12-31 19:33:29

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-31 18:46
Dream on

Did I tell you I have the body of Atlas
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-31 19:35:58

F111 Post time: 2013-12-31 19:33
Did I tell you I have the body of Atlas

By that do you mean you are like a big dusty book that nobody uses now they have a satnav?
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2013-12-31 19:52:49

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-31 19:35
By that do you mean you are like a big dusty book that nobody uses now they have a satnav?

He hopes he'll be read in braille by some gorgeous female..... fat chance...
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-31 19:54:37

TheHermit Post time: 2013-12-31 19:52
He hopes he'll be read in braille by some gorgeous female..... fat chance...

He has the gorgeous female ( but how he managed it I have no idea)
Author: snowipine    Time: 2013-12-31 21:04:59

I am from Luoyang.
Glad to hear  the news about my fellow countryman.
Luoyang people, I am one of them. Have a dream, want make money for a better life.
Kids need money for schooling and old parents need money for supporting.
The development of Luo Yang has somewhat slower than other regions recent years. But our fellow countrymen are diligent, they all want make money once they can do the work by their hard-work, no matter how hard it is. Sometimes they have to go far away from home.
Here is a town in our county, which is under administration of Luo Yang city, the beef  in our county is famous and so  in whole Henan province, it's a selling point, American people can taste the quality beef, it is blessing.
Author: snowipine    Time: 2013-12-31 21:12:13

If one person who traveled  Henan, especially Luo Yang, once he didn't taste the local Beef Soup, it is to say, he never enjoyed the delicious food of Luo Yang.

Welcome you enjoying our Luo Yang's delicous food is one of Luo Yang people's dream. Maybe I can call it one of the Chinese Dream.
Author: snowipine    Time: 2013-12-31 21:43:52

seneca Post time: 2013-12-31 21:27
What's that? Are you touting Luoyang as a tourist destination?

No, I think you must don't like i introduce the aroma, delicious food, drinking, the mountains, rivers, the history, the custom...
I think you are somewhat mouthwatering right now, re-thinking the Luo Yang beef, Luo Yang Palace Beer, Beef Soup---add up my in-person made chile sauce, sit down, bathing under the warm sunlight, at a country-yard, the birds are singing, the beer free flowing...

Author: snowipine    Time: 2013-12-31 21:52:24

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-31 18:46
Dream on

Have heard of "Luoyang Soup Banquet", Unique banquet in the world?
Mr DSseeing is so conservative in something somewhere sometimes, but you now can ask him for the answer, look what he will say!
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2013-12-31 22:00:28

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-31 19:54
He has the gorgeous female ( but how he managed it I have no idea)

She should have gone to "speksavers"....
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-31 23:42:42

TheHermit Post time: 2013-12-31 22:00
She should have gone to "speksavers"....

There is no accounting for taste
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-1 01:16:48

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-31 23:42
There is no accounting for taste

Don't knock it....... I often wonder about the sanity or vision of my girl friends? They could have all done a lot better I am sure.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 01:23:56

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-1 01:16
Don't knock it....... I often wonder about the sanity or vision of my girl friends? They could hav ...

Known as punching above your weight, nothing wrong in that
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-1 06:13:16

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 01:23
Known as punching above your weight, nothing wrong in that

I am not complaining..... Happy New Year!
Author: JFenix    Time: 2014-1-1 06:22:24

snowipine Post time: 2013-12-31 21:43
No, I think you must don't like i introduce the aroma, delicious food, drinking, the mountains, ri ...

Sounds wonderful.
Author: JFenix    Time: 2014-1-1 06:24:24

snowipine Post time: 2013-12-31 21:12
If one person who traveled  Henan, especially Luo Yang, once he didn't taste the local Beef Soup, it ...


Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-1-1 07:06:02

seneca Post time: 2013-12-31 21:25
Fire off more salvoes and your wood house will be totally carbonised, you simplist. The Chinese  ...

And the guy went there on a student visa........shame......

A guy with wife and child shouldn't need to go to NY to be a hawker






Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 15:25:51

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-1 06:13
I am not complaining..... Happy New Year!

If you did complain no one would listen, hope 2014 is good to you
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-1 15:28:53

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 15:25
If you did complain no one would listen, hope 2014 is good to you

Thanks...
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 15:32:16

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-1 15:28
Thanks...

You are welcome, I wish there were more on here that can disagree on subjects without resorting to petty insults, it would make CD a better place.
Author: lau_guan_kim    Time: 2014-1-1 17:55:37

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Author: youknowhat    Time: 2014-1-1 18:14:08

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-30 09:30
And it appears he is trading without a licence as the OP says he has twice been fined, I wonder wh ...

in order to operate a grease/food truck one might need to apply department of health permit, street vendor license, street cart premium insurance, take a food preparation exam, designated parking fee...at last one might think it's all good & safe to go but not yet the department of health might pay the vendor surprise visit & grade the vendor for his/her safe & kleanliness...with all that i rather go fishin  
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 19:43:38

lau_guan_kim Post time: 2014-1-1 17:55
I forgot to insult you.

I will keep that on my memo!

You could not knock the skin off a rice pudding you obnoxious old fool
Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2014-1-1 20:30:11

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-30 22:44
According to the OP "After being ticketed, the street vendor has to go to court. He has been fined ...

Maybe it is because English is not my first language but my understanding is different. He can be ticketed for a number of reasons, why do you think he is ticketed for a lack of license ?
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 20:32:25

MisterPanda Post time: 2014-1-1 20:30
Maybe it is because English is not my first language but my understanding is different. He can be  ...

As this fact comes at the end of a paragraph talking about licences and fines it is a natural assumption to make, had he been ticketed for another matter it would have been in a different paragraph.
Author: lau_guan_kim    Time: 2014-1-1 20:36:01

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Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-1 20:46:01

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 15:32
You are welcome, I wish there were more on here that can disagree on subjects without resorting to ...

I would not be here if there was no one to disagree with.... that's what makes the world interesting and keeps the brain active.... for those who have one of course.
Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2014-1-1 20:51:06

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 20:32
As this fact comes at the end of a paragraph talking about licences and fines it is a natural assu ...

It may be a natural assumption but it just that, an assumption.

I think he may have gotten away with it once but not twice and he would have gotten fined much more than 2000 USD. This is what let me think it isn't a license violation.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 21:05:16

lau_guan_kim Post time: 2014-1-1 20:36
Thank you for giving me the pleasure of insulting you!
Your thumb up for A... servic ...

Disgusting old man
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 21:06:20

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-1 20:46
I would not be here if there was no one to disagree with.... that's what makes the world interesti ...

It appears that the poster in #45 is one of those without a brain
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 21:08:57

MisterPanda Post time: 2014-1-1 20:51
It may be a natural assumption but it just that, an assumption.

I think he may have gotten away w ...

OK, let me put it another way, when I say assumption what I should have said is that is the way it is meant if the story was written in standard English, either he was fined for a licence violation or the writer was deliberately trying to mislead the reader, I think the former is far more likely.
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-1 21:32:34

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 21:06
It appears that the poster in #45 is one of those without a brain

LGK has his own sense of humour..... we have to accept him as he is.....
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 21:50:44

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-1 21:32
LGK has his own sense of humour..... we have to accept him as he is.....

That is not humour on any level, it is smut from a sad old man
Author: lau_guan_kim    Time: 2014-1-1 21:54:01

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Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 22:02:22

lau_guan_kim Post time: 2014-1-1 21:54
I am delighted!

How's your blood pressure?

I think you are the one taking drugs
Author: lau_guan_kim    Time: 2014-1-1 22:22:28

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Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 22:34:47

lau_guan_kim Post time: 2014-1-1 22:22
See, stubborn ox, refusing to take good medical advice!

I would not take advice from you if you were that last person on Earth
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 22:35:04

lau_guan_kim Post time: 2014-1-1 22:28
Was that an asinine bray emitting from your hay-chomping mouth.

Hehaw, hehaw you wanna say.

Fool
Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2014-1-1 22:40:11

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 21:08
OK, let me put it another way, when I say assumption what I should have said is that is the way it ...

But that the thing, I think the story was written in Chinese and then translated in English.

Also, it's the low amount of the fine that bothers me. If he was working without a licence and got caught TWICE he would have to pay much more than that. If not everybody would just open their stand like that.

Anyway, it's not a big deal.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 22:42:59

MisterPanda Post time: 2014-1-1 22:40
But that the thing, I think the story was written in Chinese and then translated in English.

Also ...

I can not comment on the USA but a fine in the UK starts at £50 and rises to £500 for offences such as this. In China they would just confiscate his stall
Author: lau_guan_kim    Time: 2014-1-1 22:45:55

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Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 22:52:17

lau_guan_kim Post time: 2014-1-1 22:45
Well, just make sure you have a decent bank balance to finance your casket and burial plot.

If yo ...

As my Grandfather used to say, do not worry about these things, they will not leave you on top.
Author: lau_guan_kim    Time: 2014-1-1 22:53:04

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Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2014-1-1 22:56:49

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 22:42
I can not comment on the USA but a fine in the UK starts at £50 and rises to £500 for offences s ...

Wow that's little.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-1 23:25:28

MisterPanda Post time: 2014-1-1 22:56
Wow that's little.

Too little but fact, most do not even get fined, they just get moved on.
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-2 01:35:29

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-1 21:50
That is not humour on any level, it is smut from a sad old man

You are most uncharitable.... to even think that.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-2 01:44:14

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-2 01:35
You are most uncharitable.... to even think that.

Charity begins at home
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-2 02:05:07

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-2 01:44
Charity begins at home

LGK is original.... and like him or loath him he does have style...
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-2 02:11:31

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-2 02:05
LGK is original.... and like him or loath him he does have style...

If that is having style I hope I have none.

There is no need for anyone to issue insults and foul language like he does.
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-2 02:19:41

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-2 02:11
If that is having style I hope I have none.

There is no need for anyone to issue insults and foul ...

Come on now... it's all good fun.... and besides look at the pi$$ you take out of Robert and his portly stature...
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-2 02:26:53

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-2 02:19
Come on now... it's all good fun.... and besides look at the pi$$ you take out of Robert and his p ...

Taking the p is one thing, pure insults and bad language is a different thing. Lau I Q never posts anything constructive.

Today I had a PM from a fairly new user who was thinking of quitting CD as he was getting more insults than positive comments mainly due to his poor English, I have seen these insults and most are unwarranted. We need more posters on here and those who only seek to insult are putting them off.

Author: stevenmon    Time: 2014-1-2 02:29:24

forget-me-not Post time: 2013-12-30 10:40
What is Chinese dream exactly? To buy a house and car,and to marry a beautiful wife/handsome husband ...

I don't know, it seems to be saying that the "Chinese Dream" is to get the heck out of China
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-2 05:32:25

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-2 02:26
Taking the p is one thing, pure insults and bad language is a different thing. Lau I Q never posts ...

You don't have to argue with LGK..... even if he answers your posts you can ignore his. I can't see any problem really.
Author: DSseeing    Time: 2014-1-2 11:06:45

stevenmon Post time: 2014-1-2 02:29
I don't know, it seems to be saying that the "Chinese Dream" is to get the heck out of China

"Chinese Dream" can be achieved anywhere, as long as you got a Chinese heart
Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2014-1-2 12:09:54

stevenmon Post time: 2014-1-2 02:29
I don't know, it seems to be saying that the "Chinese Dream" is to get the heck out of China

You got that smack in the center
Author: forget-me-not    Time: 2014-1-2 13:23:36

stevenmon Post time: 2014-1-2 02:29
I don't know, it seems to be saying that the "Chinese Dream" is to get the heck out of China

Sadly,it's kinda  true
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-2 14:10:05

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-2 05:32
You don't have to argue with LGK..... even if he answers your posts you can ignore his. I can't se ...

As I said, I am not only against him on my behalf but he does it to others that are maybe more upset by it, is no excuse for his behaviour, it is against forum rules and if he does not like the rules why is he here?
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-2 14:44:19

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-2 14:10
As I said, I am not only against him on my behalf but he does it to others that are maybe more ups ...

Every time another's fault angers me.... I think of my own faults, and the anger goes away.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-2 14:57:40

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-2 14:44
Every time another's fault angers me.... I think of my own faults, and the anger goes away.

I wish I could try that but as I have no faults........
Author: buddy1    Time: 2014-1-2 19:02:35

DSseeing Post time: 2014-1-2 11:06
"Chinese Dream" can be achieved anywhere, as long as you got a Chinese heart

The American Dream has led to all countries worldwide being abused by the US. They have destroyed every other cultures of the world because of their greed. America in 50 years bombed more countries then all countries combined. Why?

The Chinese Dream gives inspiration to all countries who have suffered at the hands of the imperialists and colonialists.  China is a great civilization for over five thousand years who is now helping these poor countries build up their infrasture that the Anglos have destroyed.




Author: F111    Time: 2014-1-2 19:20:46

The Chinese dream is to leave china and start a business in America. Them have the Chinese dream.
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2014-1-2 20:17:16

F111 Post time: 2014-1-2 19:20
The Chinese dream is to leave china and start a business in America. Them have the Chinese dream.

So many dream this
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-2 22:07:13

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-2 14:57
I wish I could try that but as I have no faults........

Nice to be perfect..... Seneca should have some competition.
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-2 22:17:08

seneca Post time: 2014-1-2 15:46
I have just taken note of your saying that you know that you have "faults"... But just remembe ...

Should that be any of my concern?
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-7 01:50:25

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-2 22:07
Nice to be perfect..... Seneca should have some competition.

No, Senny is unique
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-7 02:05:13

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-7 01:50
No, Senny is unique

I know Messi told me..... there's an unbiased opinion.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-7 02:38:43

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-7 02:05
I know Messi told me..... there's an unbiased opinion.

You have to admit that there is no one quite like him
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-7 07:42:20

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-7 02:38
You have to admit that there is no one quite like him

The egregious nincompoop has a secret agenda...... other posters didn't call him snake for nothing...
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-7 16:14:20

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-7 07:42
The egregious nincompoop has a secret agenda...... other posters didn't call him snake for nothing ...

If that is all they call him he should not worry
Author: F111    Time: 2014-1-7 16:44:18

MisterPanda Post time: 2013-12-30 22:15
I don't understand why you mention Chinese Dream ? It seems to me this is more the American Dream as ...

He has immigrated to America, is out of China and owning his own business
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-7 20:41:06

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-7 16:14
If that is all they call him he should not worry

The reptile has been instrumental in getting others banned.... he is always up to mischief.
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-8 14:21:12

seneca Post time: 2014-1-8 13:08
How and when have I helped you get banned, my old rogue? Not that you did not dserve it but my mem ...

You scoundrel.... I have never given anyone cause for banning..... my posts are exemplary in that respect.
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-8 14:28:42

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-7 16:14
If that is all they call him he should not worry

He is a product of the Orwellian world we live in...... everything is about tit..... good is now bad and war is peace..... as for humanitarian intervention read massacre.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-8 16:48:50

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-7 20:41
The reptile has been instrumental in getting others banned.... he is always up to mischief.

We have had our disagreements but he is far better than some on here, at least he will post a comment or two without insults
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-8 16:50:43

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-8 14:28
He is a product of the Orwellian world we live in...... everything is about tit..... good is now b ...

You talk of an Orwellian world, well at the moment I am in the UK where there are more CCTV cameras per capita than anywhere else in the world
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-8 22:14:51

seneca Post time: 2014-1-8 14:41
Yes, you write exemplary scoundrelly posts here.

Only to a scoundrel like you.... I am very civil with most other posters.
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-8 22:32:08

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-8 16:48
We have had our disagreements but he is far better than some on here, at least he will post a comm ...

He is very cunning.... he deceives most people....
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-8 22:42:49

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-8 16:50
You talk of an Orwellian world, well at the moment I am in the UK where there are more CCTV camera ...

Have you noticed that they can trace speeding motorists and prosecute others for antisocial behaviour but when it comes to serious crime, the cameras weren't working at the time.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-9 15:30:56

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-8 22:32
He is very cunning.... he deceives most people....

I think his thinking is clear enough if you read between the lines
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-9 15:31:23

TheHermit Post time: 2014-1-8 22:42
Have you noticed that they can trace speeding motorists and prosecute others for antisocial behavi ...

They make money from speeding fines......
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-9 15:53:20

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-9 15:30
I think his thinking is clear enough if you read between the lines

He reads from a script some of us have read ages ago..
Author: TheHermit    Time: 2014-1-9 15:54:52

futsanglung Post time: 2014-1-9 15:31
They make money from speeding fines......

That is all that matters.




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