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Post time 2013-12-2 17:32:00 |Display all floors
The new Air Defence Identification Zone is not, as the state-run BBC claims, an extension of China's airspace. It's an early warning zone extending beyond that. What the state-run BBC DOES show is a map where Japan's ADIZ only covers half the disputed islands; tacit admission from Japan since the 1960s that they belong to China! ("China 'monitored' US bombers in new air zone", state-run BBC)

Rather, it is similar to a hotline which can calm things down. Like the Great Wall, it is defensive in nature. If you don't fly into it, you won't have to report your flight plans. It's not as though China is illegally invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, Serbia, Yemen and Somalia or occupying America, Britain, N. Ireland, the Chagos archipelago, Las Malvinas, Gibraltar, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Occupied Korea, Occupied Japan etc. The state-run BBC child-raping cheerleaders for war also peddle the ****-stirring line that the dispute over the Diaoyu islands is about oil. But Occupied Japan's only claim to the islands is that they thieved it in a similar way to the UK's theft of Las Malvinas (where the son of one of the UK's troops who died in the war says, the UK should give the island back), or Gibraltar (where a Daily Telegraphic Nonsense poll shows two thirds agree it belongs to Spain but was acquired after the Spanish War of Succession despite the UK having no claim to the spanish throne in much the same way that they fought the Hundred Years War to claim the french throne or (as we know from Braveheart) to claim the scottish throne) which is just a few miles off the spanish coast and well within Spain's EEZ, or Diego Garcia (where the UK's own courts have twice told the goons & thugs to give it back). The Great Satan returned the island to Occupied Japan after the war that the UK and US started in 1939 for more ****-stirring similar to what they did with India and China: Later, “Johnson's proposal was harshly censured for gross mistakenness, terming his boundary as ‘patently absurd’. In fact, Johnson was scolded by the British Government and consequently, he quitted his job”
- India versus China: A review of the Aksai Chin border dispute

On the other hand, the Great Satan, Occupied Japan and Occupied Korea have all defied China in refusing to use this "hotline" when flying their military planes through the ADIZ. This is what the Amerikans refer to as "playing a calming role"; about as calming as the Great Satan's "pivot to Asia". Realising they're being puerile and China will retaliate in her own good time, the Great Satan has ordered their airlines to comply though, so far, not the military which has to pander to the military/industrial complex rather than the amerikan taxsucker.

Occupied Japan has had such an ADIZ (though far more extensive than China's) since the 1960s and even though Occupied Japan doesn't even have control over her own airspace never mind the ADIZ. Instead she has to ask permission from the Great Satan's military. With the fortnightly rape of japanese and korean women by the amerikan military, perhaps the occupied nations' leaders should be arrested for pimping. Since the "pivot", Occupied Japan "purchased" the Diaoyu islands and detained chinese fishing boats in violation of an agreement with China and is using passengers on ANA Holdings Inc. and Japan Airlines Co. flights as human shields in much the same way that Winston Turdhill used passengers on the Lusitania in WW1 which we now know was carrying armaments and so was a legal target, with Turdhill writing that if it got into difficulties, "all the better". Japan has told both airlines to stop reporting their flight plans to China. Similarly "hospital ships" such as the Rewar in WW2 were carrying armaments so were also legal targets, meaning the german U-Boat captains convicted of war crimes were innocent. The obvious response would be for China to not report flight plans when flying through the ADIZ of the Great Satan, Kanada, Occupied Korea or Occupied Japan. In 1983 an airliner from Occupied Korea was shot down wandering into Russia's air space. A "hotline" would have been of use in that instance.

“It’s very important the U.S. signal to the Chinese that we’re not going to be bullied and that we’re going to adhere to our commitments,” which include a defense treaty with Japan, said Nicholas Burns, a former U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs from 2005 to 2008.
- U.S. Said Making Daily Flights Into China’s Air Zone

Aaaah! Poor widdle Great Satan being bullied by a request to report flight plans!

Japan’s natural ally is not the US and the Western Powers, but rather China as Asia’s industrial, financial and geopolitical powerhouse. Allied to Japan as regional leading-edge technological powerhouse, they would be unstoppable.
- US to China: Stop behaving all sovereign!

Yes, but the Great Satan knows that and has been Occupying Japan and Korea for 60 years. Only Vietnam avoided the grasp of this imperialists and at great cost.
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Post time 2013-12-2 17:48:11 |Display all floors
No it does not. Japan has always said the Senkaku Islands are Japanese
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Post time 2013-12-2 20:05:57 |Display all floors
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But in the opinion of the world and all your neighbors China has no Business, and looks the fool,  ...

the Potsdam Proclamation was the successor of the Cairo Declaration, as it explicitly stated in Article 8 that 'the terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out...

Later in September 1945, the Japanese government accepted the Potsdam Proclamation in explicit terms with the Japanese Instrument of Surrender and pledged to faithfully fulfill the obligations in the provisions of the proclamation.
In the China-Japan Joint Statement, Japan affirmed that the government should fully understand and respect the position of the Chinese government and stick to the position of Article 8 in the Potsdam Proclamation...
While major world powers have defended and practiced the spirit of the declaration, the Japanese government is turning a blind eye to it by claiming that the Diaoyu Islands are Japanese territory...
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Post time 2013-12-8 00:35:48 |Display all floors
Amerikan Global Leadership
- World Domination

South Korea yesterday said that it would extend its own air zone to cover the rock, which houses a research station and helipad.
- China Air Zone Won’t Affect U.S. Operations, Biden Says

As I noted above for the diaoyu island, it is strange that Japan has a ADIZ which doesn't even cover the island as the ADIZ is supposed to extend BEYOND your air space.

Yet here we have Korea too, failing to cover the rock which both China and Korea claim.

It could be that all three nations have agreements not to forcibly claim the disputed regions, just as Japan promised not to interfere with chinese fishermen in the disputed zone. But Japan violated these agreements and stepped up tensions by "buying" the Diaoyu islands and detaining chinese fishing boats soon after the Great Satan, its occupier, declared its "pivot" to Asia, where, like America which it thieved, it has no business being whatsoever.

Clearly, Japan, the Philippines and Korea, all under amerikan occupation, are being used by the Great Satan. Japan and China now trade without the use of the dollar. As with all gangsters, they trust no one and demand control of everything. Hence they don't trust Japan and China to not dump dollars. The divide and conquer ploy is predictable.
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Post time 2013-12-9 01:30:32 |Display all floors
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- the amerikan goons & thugs and their organised crime

They started two World wars to impose a gold-exchange standard. All other nations are a threat to the Great Satan because they might evade it's "leadership"; World domination. The "pivot to Asia" is the latest attempt to contain China. Since the 19th century, they've been occupying the Philippines and Japan as coaling stations to China. It is in this context that the protection racket with the Occupied Philippines, Occupied Japan and Occupied Korea, should be viewed.

The Pentagon Papers, officially titled United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967: A Study Prepared by the Department of Defense, is a United States Department of Defense history of the United States' political-military involvement in Vietnam from 1945 to 1967. The papers were discovered and released by Daniel Ellsberg, and first brought to the attention of the public on the front page of The New York Times in 1971.[1] A 1996 article in The New York Times said that the Pentagon Papers had demonstrated, among other things, that the Johnson Administration "systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress."[2]

More specifically, the papers revealed that the U.S. had secretly enlarged the scale of the Vietnam War with the bombings of nearby Cambodia and Laos, coastal raids on North Vietnam, and Marine Corps attacks, none of which were reported in the mainstream media.[3]

For his disclosure of the Pentagon Papers, Ellsberg was initially charged with conspiracy, espionage and theft of government property, but the charges were later dropped after prosecutors investigating the Watergate Scandal soon discovered that the Nixon administration had ordered the so-called White House Plumbers to engage in unlawful efforts to discredit Ellsberg.[4]
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As laid out by U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, the Chinese containment policy of the United States was a long-run strategic effort to surround Beijing with the USSR, its satellite states, as well as:
a) The Japan-Korea front,
b) The India-Pakistan front, and
c) The Southeast Asia front
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McNamara accused China of harboring imperial aspirations, just like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. According to McNamara, the Chinese were conspiring to menacingly "organize all of Asia" against the United States:
China—like Germany in 1917, like Germany in the West and Japan in the East in the late 30's, and like the USSR in 1947—looms as a major power threatening to undercut our importance and effectiveness in the world and, more remotely but more menacingly, to organize all of Asia against us.[11]

In order to encircle the Chinese, the United States aimed to establish "three fronts" as part of a "long-run effort to contain China":
There are three fronts to a long-run effort to contain China (realizing that the USSR “contains” China on the north and northwest):

(a) the Japan-Korea front;

(b) the India-Pakistan front; and

(c) the Southeast Asia front.[11]

However, McNamara admitted that the containment of China will ultimately sacrifice a significant amount of America's time, money and lives.[11]
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1950 – The United States provided large-scale military equipment to the French colonial empire in its fight against the Viet Minh[12]
1954 – The United States begins to engage in "acts of sabotage and terror warfare" against North Vietnam[12]
1955 – The United States encouraged and directly assisted the South Vietnamese President Ngô Đình Diệm's rise to power[13]
1963 – The United States encouraged and directly assisted the overthrow of the South Vietnamese President Ngô Đình Diệm[12]
August 2, 1964 – Following the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the United States manipulated public opinion in its preparation for open warfare[12]

Years before the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred on 2 August 1964, the U.S. government was directly interfering in the internal affairs of Vietnam:
Under President Harry S. Truman, the U.S. government aided the French colonial empire in its war against the communist-led Viet Minh during the First Indochina War.[12]
Under President Dwight D. Eisenhower, the U.S. government played a "direct role in the ultimate breakdown of the Geneva settlement" in 1954 by covertly undermining the communist country of North Vietnam.[12]
Under President John F. Kennedy, the U.S. government transformed its policy towards Vietnam from a limited "gamble" to a broad "commitment".[12]
Under President Lyndon B. Johnson, the U.S. government began waging covert military operations against North Vietnam.[12]
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The papers identified General Edward Lansdale, who served in the Office of Strategic Services and worked for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), as a "key figure" in the establishment of Ngo Dinh Diem as the President of South Vietnam, and the backing of Diem's regime thereafter. As written by Lansdale in a 1961 memorandum: "We (the U.S.) must support Ngo Dinh Diem until another strong executive can replace him legally."[13]
. . .
According to the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. government played a key role in the 1963 South Vietnamese coup, in which President Ngo Dinh Diem was asassinated. While maintaining "clandestine contact" with Vietnamese generals planning a coup, the U.S. cut off its aid to President Diem and openly supported a successor government in what the authors called an "essentially leaderless Vietnam":
"For the military coup d'etat against Ngo Dinh Diem, the U.S. must accept its full share of responsibility.
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Legal charges against Ellsberg[edit]

Ellsberg surrendered to authorities in Boston, and admitted that he had given the papers to the press.

I felt that as an American citizen, as a responsible citizen, I could no longer cooperate in concealing this information from the American public. I did this clearly at my own jeopardy and I am prepared to answer to all the consequences of this decision.
— Ellsberg on why he released the Pentagon Papers to the press.[28]

He was later indicted on charges of stealing and holding secret documents by a grand jury in Los Angeles.[28] Federal District Judge William Matthew Byrne, Jr. declared a mistrial and dismissed all charges against Ellsberg and Russo on May 11, 1973, after several irregularities appeared in the government's case, including its claim that it had lost records of illegal wiretapping against Ellsberg conducted by the White House Plumbers in the contemporaneous Watergate scandal.[8]

- Pentagon Papers
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The most dangerous gun-slingers in the Wild Wild West when they thieved America and turned it into a lawless state wasn't the quickest but the most ruthless. With the mind of cruel children, they have no restraint. You can tell straight away from the posts on this forum they're morons; single line, off-handed comments of a child. Look at the nationalistic, lying B.S. on ZeroHedge too. It's all dumbed down with lots of pictures, often with nothing profound. The dumbest is a block graph showing the enormity of student loans against something else; just two blocks. You can't get any dumberer or pointless than that. Then you read, for example, Henry C. K. Liu's articles. Whereas I don't agree with much that he writes, the difference is stark. They're not crowded with lots of graphs for starters. The supporting evidence is effusive and leads to the points he's trying to make. It takes a good length of time to read and understand them. The ZeroHedge B.S. is just mindless crap!

Meanwhile, the UK's goons & thugs have no shame in awarding themselves 11% pay rises despite the B.S. inflation stats. from the Office of Notorious Statistics claiming only 2.2% inflation. Whilst the state-run BBC reports, "Food poverty 'now a health emergency'", the goons & thugs have used taxsucker cash to fund the IPSA committee which has forced the goons & thugs to accept the pay rise against their wishes: All three party leaders disagreed with the rise when it was first proposed.

However Ipsa does not need to get the agreement of Parliament to bring in the changes.


The only light relief the taxsucker gets is that the pensions, which one pensions expert deemed, "the most generous pensions in the land", will now be curtailed slightly. The goons & thugs only have to serve two terms with their noses in the trough, during which they can get away with doing diddly-squat, before receiving the full and very generous pension. This is why the tag-team, sham-democracy of Labour and Tory have two or three terms in power before swapping places. Camoron has shown his typical leadership: Prime Minister David Cameron has stopped short of matching the pledge by the other party leaders to reject any extra money, and some Tory MPs support the increase. So he only rejects it "in principle". They've also defaulted on taxsuckers' pensions where the retirement age has been pushed further out into the future.
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Post time 2013-12-12 21:08:13 |Display all floors
This post was edited by gork at 2013-12-13 20:37

Diaoyu Belongs to China and Everyone Knows It

Let's start with the facts on the sea. Meiji-era documents prove without a doubt that the Japanese government not only admitted that these islands were Chinese (since at least the 16th century) but was also plotting to grab them; that's exactly what happened in 1895, during the first Sino-Japanese war, a historical juncture when China was extremely vulnerable.
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A document signed by the Japanese promised the return of the islands to China after the war. It was never fulfilled.

- So many secrets in the East China Sea

Yes, despite the UK's book-burning Lord Elgin (son of the thief who thieved the marbles of the Parthenon) razing China's Summer Palace, records have survived from Japan's own archives.
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