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Post time 2013-5-19 09:14:44 |Display all floors
As long as Taiwan insists on having an "official" apology that goes beyond the diplomatic position of the Philippines regarding which China it recognizes OFFICIALLY, it is hitting its head against a brick wall - nothing to do with how contrite or sincere the Philippnes side is.  

The only way for Taiwan to get an OFFICIAL apology is to ask Beijing to demand and receive such an apology on behalf of the Fisherman's Family.  This OFFICIAL apology will be made to China, which is one grade higher than the apology to the Taiwanese fisherman's family, if that is what Taiwan really wants on the Fisherman's Family's behalf.  It weil be entirely for the benefit of the Fisherman's Family, but not for the Taiwan government in Taipei, because it would make the Taipei government look UNOFFICIAL.  So, one would not fault Taipei if it would rather not take this route.  However, if China puts pressure on the Philippines on behalf of the Fisherman's Family, the Philippines might very well have to take this route, to the detriment of the OFFICIAL-NESS of the Taiwanese government.

As for the invitation for a joint investigation, the Philippines Secretary of the Dept of Justice has just withdrawn it as unconstitutional and a violation of the sovereignty of the Philippines.  Now, it is anybody's guess if the Philippines is doing it because Taipei was being too demanding, or because it found a smoking gun, literally, about its intentional killing of the Taiwanese fisherman, i.e., the shots were intended to hit the fisherman, as much as to disable the engine of the fishing vessel.

Refusing to learn the dismal lesson of what a separatist position is costing Taiwan in EEZ rights, sovereignty rights, and now, human life, the government of Taipei insists on widening the spat to a people-to-people ethnic conflict because there are few if any Taiwanese in the Philippines, and nearly 90,000 Filipinos working in Taiwan, by targeting their visas and their jobs, Filipinos who actually love Taiwan, serve Taiwan, and benefit Taiwan, all because a dozen Filipino Coast Guards may have exceeded their authority and killed a Taiwanese fisherman, when the logical solution to Taiwan's eroding sovereign rights and EEZ rights vis-a-vis Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines, was for Taiwan to join forces with the China they all recognize diplomatically, and thus get the due respect they deserve as a province of China.  Tell the truth and they shut their ears.  But when they get ignored or seemingly slighted, they are up in arms against innocent Filipinos working in Taiwan, cleaning their latrines, their homes, and feeding their children, while they earn bigger salaries in Taiwan factories.  

Two wrongs do not make a right.  Face it, Taiwan is not a sovereign country in the eyes of the Philippines, Japan or the USA, even.  That the President of the Philippines was willing to apologize to a Taiwanese fisherman, on a personal basis, is not an insult to the Taiwanese people, but a gesture of immense goodwill and sincerity.




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Post time 2013-5-19 09:24:45 |Display all floors
This post was edited by abramicus at 2013-5-19 09:37

THE CHNESE MAINLAND PRESS SHOULD START DRAWING THE LINE WITH THE TAIPEI GOVERNMENT WHEN IT REJECTS THE APOLOGY OF THE PHILIPPINES GOVERNMENT TO THE FISHERMAN'S FAMILY, AND INSISTS ON HAVING AN "OFFICIAL APOLOGY" ON A STATE-TO-STATE LEVEL.

The outrageousness of the killing of an unarmed Taiwanese fisherman by a squad of Philippine Coast Guard soldiers is worth every ounce of protest.

But the egregiousness of using this incident to split the sovereignty of China, by the Taiwan government, making political hay out of the personal tragedy of the Taiwanese fisherman, is to be denounced.  When Taiwan expands this spat to involving innocent, law-abiding, and hardworking Filipinos working in Taiwan, by punishing them with being fired for no fault of their own, they are creating a new level of people-to-people conflict that the Taiwanese feel no worry over since they have no official ties with the Philippines.  This stirring of the cauldron of racial strife is taking place in lieu of a truly OFFICIAL protest being handled by the PRC government.  The UNOFFICIAL APOLOGY from the Philppine government to the Fisherman's Family is being turned into an UNOFFICIAL PEOPLE'S WAR by the Taiwan government against the Filipino people.

If the Taiwan government is SINCERE about protecting the rights of the Taiwanese people to their sovereign territory, on land, such as Diaoyudao, or at sea, such as at the overlap of China and Philippines EEZ's, then it needs to take two urgent steps.  

First, establish a mechanism of joint patrol and joint defense with the PRC of their common maritime sovereign territory and EEZ.

Second, establish a mechanism of political and diplomatic conveyance of apologies that permits OFFICIAL apologies to be made if that is necessary to maintain the sovereignty of China that both sides claim as their country.

THIS TURN OF EVENTS BY THE TAIWANESE SEPARATIST GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE CONTAINED BY AN ENLIGHTENED CHINESE MEDIA THAT KNOWS WHEN TO THE DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN JUSTICE AND VENDETTA, AND BETWEEN THE SEPARATIST DEMAND OF OFFICIAL-NESS OF TAIWAN AND THE UNIDIVIDED SOVEREIGNTY OF CHINA.

AND TAIWAN NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT ITS IRRATIONAL REJECTION OF A JOINT DEFENSE WITH CHINA OF THE MARITIME RIGHTS OF THE TAIWANESE PEOPLE THAT IS THE ONLY EFFECTIVE DEFENSE AGAINST FOREIGN INVASION.


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Post time 2013-5-19 09:41:45 |Display all floors
TW likes to play both sides of the fence as it sees fit.
We are NOT Chinese, we are independant and aligned with the USA.
We are part of the PRC and demand BJ support our people.
I'm just here for the money

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Post time 2013-5-19 11:34:36 |Display all floors
jay_dee Post time: 2013-5-19 09:41
TW likes to play both sides of the fence as it sees fit.
We are NOT Chinese, we are independant a ...

jay_dee, you say you are not Chinese, but are part of the PRC, and demand BJ support your people.  Is this a riddle or a joke?

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Post time 2013-5-19 11:39:50 |Display all floors
This post was edited by abramicus at 2013-5-19 11:41

Taiwan's increasingly promiscuous behavior of trying to replace the PRC as the official government of China, or at least, as a separate, independent country from China, called Republic of China, is getting a worldwide oogling, as it does its burlesque show on the diplomatic walkway, first with a tantalizing request for an apology for the Taiwanese fisherman, then with the baring of its demand for an official apology not to the fisherman but the the Republic of China (which the Philippines does not recognize as a sovereign government), and now with its topless display of mass layoffs of Filipino workers in Taiwan who have nothing to do with the shooting incident.  

The only thing left for Taiwan to do is get rid of its underwear and go to bed with Japan by asking Japan to defend its sovereignty as a prefecture of Japan.

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Post time 2013-5-19 11:49:38 |Display all floors
There won't be any sea drill or any settlement. If there are its for show only or to shore up the island's waning leadership. The island's leadership sought audience with Uncle Sam, of course they call it debriefing. But is it logical for any country to debrief another unless it acknowledges that it has cede its independence to that other country? Don't see Russia or Germany or Italy debreifing any other country when it comes to their country's problems. Of course countries like Germany and France debriefs the EU which they had acknowledged they are part of. Since Philippines is already an Uncle Sam's proxy and the island on the way applying to be one, naturally the latter will not act in such a way that make it tough for Uncle Sam.

The island only forments dissentment against the mainland not rapproachment - that is totally abstained from through various disguises. In truth, from an outsider's point of view, what has never been highlighted is that the civil war between CPC and KMT has long ended in the defeat of KMT. This means the mainland as represented by the CPC presently is the rightful owner over both PRC and ROC. Whether a peace accord is signed or not is irrelevent. Until today the CPC has been patient and did not go all the way to end the civil war or the identity issue officially is probably mainly due to the mainland's concern that a heavy bloodshed that could happen for the family of one and the same. This is humanity and genuine recognition of blood ties. With the mainland's artillery prowess, the mainland is well positioned to end it with a fist fight if it chooses to. While the island's leadership claimed blood ties, that is nothing but insincere empty call. Its visible from Diaoyu to South China Seas, nothing the leadership does indicates that it recognise what it called "blood ties", the latest being its debriefing to Uncle Sam which it has done all this while without fail. In essence selfish leaders avail themselves to foreign powers at the expense of the lives of the common people both from the island and the mainland. If ever a war breaks out, those leaders' family members would have been already settled in foreign countries. In the past foreign agents occupying certain leadership roles on the island frequently claimed the mainland's missiles being aimed at them. Had the mainland heeded such sinistic calls, the mainland would have disarmed itself against potential hostile powers from East China Sea and West Pacific. Had any other country been in the mainland's shoes, it would have missiles aimed outwards all over including the direction of the island and West Pacific Ocean.

Its a pity for the island's people. From being part of a dignified nation to one of an international beggar, more so an unmistakeable disposable toy of a sole superpower. That is because neither the Greens or the Blues on the island are genuinely acting in the in the interest of the island's people or recognising the historical roots of the island. Unless the island's people throw both the Japanese Greens and Uncle Sam Blues out, they are unlikely to truly peacefully enjoy the meaning of being a strong honourable nation.  

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Post time 2013-5-19 11:57:32 |Display all floors
abramicus Post time: 2013-5-19 10:34
jay_dee, you say you are not Chinese, but are part of the PRC, and demand BJ support your people.  ...

It is to say, Taiwan is enjoying the best of the two worlds, at the expense of the U.S and PRC.  Taiwan .....Smart ass erh?
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這是說,台灣有最好的兩個世界,在中美和中國的犧牲了。
台灣聰明的?



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