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Post time 2013-8-1 02:52:29 |Display all floors
seneca Post time: 2013-7-31 20:40
Who are you to discuss whether other peoples need to be assimilated? It is always the assimilators ...

I just made a general comment.

Like it or not, its true.

Even with the cases of native americans.  There were many native americans that was very much for having their kids taught in english and in our schools.  They said they wanted them to be able to compete.  Didn't want settlers to have advantages over them.  Knowledge is power.

Staying isolated in that situation means no growth and also puts you at a disadvantage.  But if you can go to the same law schools as those who oppress you, you can have a chance for change.

That was the logic.

So yes, its horrible.  Its horrible to lose your language and culture.  

Even more horrible not being able to be at a disadvantage that limits your job growth or others things.
   
  
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Post time 2013-8-1 02:59:22 |Display all floors
seneca Post time: 2013-7-31 20:40
Who are you to discuss whether other peoples need to be assimilated? It is always the assimilators ...

'lessor people' seneca?

That is exactly how you treat every minority.  As a 'lessor people' - children, or handicapped  or something.

Whatever it is - you don't treat them as equals.  Its almost like they are sub-species.  They are not allowed to grow, changes, modernize, nothing.  Just expected to stay frozen in time.  That is your idea of respect.

  
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Post time 2013-8-1 03:35:45 |Display all floors
JFenix Post time: 2013-7-31 10:59
'lessor people' seneca?

That is exactly how you treat every minority.  As a 'lessor people' - chi ...

no hello no good afternoon anythin just jump right in the ring with seneca...dont fo-get he's the heavy weight contender here  
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Post time 2013-8-1 03:53:32 |Display all floors
youknowhat Post time: 2013-8-1 03:35
no hello no good afternoon anythin just jump right in the ring with seneca...dont fo-get he's the  ...

He's no heavyweight.

He barely uses facts and resorts to personal attacks when he loses the argument.
  
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Post time 2013-8-1 03:58:16 |Display all floors
JFenix Post time: 2013-7-31 11:53
He's no heavyweight.

He barely uses facts and resorts to personal attacks when he loses the argum ...

oh mierda i pretend i didnt hear that from you  
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Post time 2013-8-1 05:23:45 |Display all floors
Sure, China can be a melting pot, for those that assimilate well. Now the saying will be "Go East, Young man!" And this time it is good that westerners come as contributing migrants and not as conquerors.
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Post time 2013-8-1 11:45:09 |Display all floors
>In A.D. 168  a medication named qinghaosu was described as ridding patients of the symptoms and the cause of malaria. However, mosquitoes are common all over China and up to 90% of the Chinese people were impoverished<

It is good that the retard has decided to read up - however defective his reading abilities - a tiny bit of Chinese healthcare practices such as the Chinese control of bilharzia during New China's first generation of administrators (1950 - 1975). However, the problem returned with a vengeance after 1978 largely because of government negligence of the countryside. But the punk's low mentality still shows: he thinks that just because China was superior to Europe in health matters - such as drinking boiled water, smallpox vaccination, and finding cures for many illness - it must therefore be a perfectly healthy state for its entire history. That was not the point: China too suffered from diseases and even the plague. BUT, as a re-reading of this thread would reveal, the point was that China was better in controlling diseases, and lived in more hygienic conditions than Europe for the greater part of its history (until the opium wars devastated China, as Mike Davis' "Victorian Holocausts" indicated). Other factors included better governance (the modern civil service system was introduced in the British parliament only about a century ago - it was tabled as "The Chinese System") which involved the ability to overcome epidemics and famines. Mike Davis wrote:

"Pierre-Etienne Will has carefully reconstructed the fascinating history of the
1743-44 relief campaign from contemporary records. Under the skilled Confucian
administration of Fang Guancheng, the agricultural and hydraulic expert
who directed relief operations in Zhili, the renowned "ever-normal granaries"
in each county immediately began to issue rations (without any labor test) to
peasants in the officially designated disaster counties." (Local gentry had already
organized soup kitchens to ensure the survival of the poorest residents until state
distributions began.) When local supplies proved insufficient, Guancheng shifted
millet and rice from the great store of tribute grain at Tongcang at the terminus
of the Grand Canal, then used the Canal to move vast quantities of rice from the
south. Two million peasants were maintained for eight months, until the return
of the monsoon made agriculture again possible. Ultimately 85 percent of the
relief grain was borrowed from tribute depots or granaries outside the radius of
the drought.

As Will emphasizes, this was famine defense in depth, the "last word in technology
at the time." No contemporary European society guaranteed subsistence
as a human right to its peasantry (ming-sheng is the Chinese term), nor,
as the Physiocrats later marveled, could any emulate "the perfect timing of
[Guancheng's| operations: the action taken always kept up with developments
and even anticipated them." Indeed, while the Qing were honoring their social
contract with the peasantry, contemporary Europeans were dying in the millions
from famine and hunger-related diseases following arctic winters and summer
droughts in 1740-43. "The mortality peak of the early 1740s," emphasizes an
authority, "is an outstanding fact of European demographic history." In Europe's
Age of Reason, in other words, the "starving masses" were French, Irish and Calabrian,
not Chinese" (p 281, Late Victorian Holocausts: El Niño Famines and the Origin of the Third World" Verso, 2002).

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