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Post time 2012-12-7 21:15:17 |Display all floors
lebeast Post time: 2012-12-7 20:46
getting closer now

as the resident sociologist, what is social value?

The institution of marriage is seen as something respectable and honorable.  The very same reasons you are against gay marriage is the very same reason they want it- its a bid for respect in society.  To not be seen as deviants, but rather as couples deserving the same status as traditional marriage couples.  

We say things in our society like 'time to make her a respectable woman', meaning that with marriage, having sex is turned from something sinful to something that is very much okay and honored.

That's what they are looking for - acceptance and respect.  
  
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Post time 2012-12-7 21:25:41 |Display all floors
This post was edited by lebeast at 2012-12-7 23:26
JFenix Post time: 2012-12-7 23:15
The institution of marriage is seen as something respectable and honorable.  The very same reasons ...
The institution of marriage is seen as something respectable and honorable.  The very same reasons you are against gay marriage is the very same reason they want it- its a bid for respect in society.  To not be seen as deviants, but rather as couples deserving the same status as traditional marriage couples.  

We say things in our society like 'time to make her a respectable woman', meaning that with marriage, having sex is turned from something sinful to something that is very much okay and honored.

That's what they are looking for - acceptance and respect.  

it's ok to be gay

it's accepted

gay union is ok too.

but marriage is an ancient tryst between man and woman, not a rights issue, not even a matter of disrespect

if the issue is the respectability of gay union, it is a marketing issue of that entity, not a diss from married couples
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Post time 2012-12-7 21:28:33 |Display all floors
put it this way

if anyone feels unaccepted or inadequate, is that the basis of legislation to force inclusion?

should "social value" be enforced

and what are the consequences?

this smacks of the worst of socialism
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Post time 2012-12-7 21:29:58 |Display all floors
we've had a similar battle here in education

you can't make everyone the same without diminishing quality

equality kills quality
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Post time 2012-12-7 21:30:25 |Display all floors
gays need to respect difference
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Post time 2012-12-7 21:31:20 |Display all floors
just like our educational system wonks need to understand that some people are brighter than others

and they should not be held back by a system designed to foster mediocrity, which is what equality means
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Post time 2012-12-7 21:32:56 |Display all floors
This post was edited by lebeast at 2012-12-7 23:33

gay union should become its own unique culture, respected in the gay world especially, but something others can see is a valid and worthy example of devotion

hijacking the existing structure is no substitute for that
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