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Mid-air fight forces Swiss flight to turn back   [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2012-9-4 21:07:21 |Display all floors
From there, they could, if they want, be turned over with their case to swiss justice authorities, afaik.


True - but the airline didn't have a rep office there. Swiss/Lufthansa mainly operate from a few airports in Switzerland, Germany, the USA and a few Asian countries - so why not fly that extra 1,5 hours and have a solution that they already know will work, rather than having to figure out everything new in Warsaw? Confucius used to say: "The longest ways are unknown shortcuts" - and I guess that's how they saw it, too.

why did the airline decide to return to Zurich; instead to continue for another 4 hours 40 minutes...to Beijing...


This question is much more interesting and I guess we can only speculate for the reasons behind. Most likely, the captain was afraid that the two guys might get even angrier and that an emergency landing would be required. However, there are very few airports between moscow and beijing in siberia, so it would take much more time to land anywhere safely.

It's generally very normal that planes return to their home airport if possible when such incidents occure - for "administrative reasons", as the carriers usually claim.

--UPDATE--

I did some research on the topic and it appears that this is an official order since the 9/11 attacks in 2011 that airplanes must return on land immediately in case of such incidents, as they might be high-jacking attempts. It's another of those "terrorism prevention rules" by the international Aeronautics Association IATA, just like the stupid rule that you can't bring any drinks to the aircraft

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Post time 2012-9-4 23:27:40 |Display all floors
Everynowhere Post time: 2012-9-4 21:07
True - but the airline didn't have a rep office there. Swiss/Lufthansa mainly operate from a few a ...

The probable reason is this........

If you board a Swiss Air craft, you are, at least technically, under swiss authority. When the captain decided to return to Zurich he was just doing what the flying manual says...."if it is not a life threating situation the plane will return to its base......." The Chinese police can't board a Swiss plane in Beijing unless the captain authorizes them or there is a life threating situation; the swiss police can!

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Post time 2012-9-5 01:02:19 |Display all floors
NE_Tigress Post time: 2012-9-4 20:13
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Wonder who provides the "Cat-Food" for you Miss Kitty !
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Post time 2012-9-5 01:18:35 |Display all floors
If you board a Swiss Air craft, you are, at least technically, under swiss authority. When the captain decided to return to Zurich he was just doing what the flying manual says...."if it is not a life threating situation the plane will return to its base......." The Chinese police can't board a Swiss plane in Beijing unless the captain authorizes them or there is a life threating situation; the swiss police can!


The captain would hav authorized them, of course..
But I guess the point is much more: what if these two guys were terrorists and tried to highjack the plane? If they were, they would have probably wanted to destroy a target in Beijing, the plane's destinatioon. So turning around would have made that very hard for them - that's why the IATA issued an according regulation.
Now of course, the captain might have said "I ignore those regulations" and fly to Beijing. But what if the flight attendant was forced to lie by the terrorists and there were no drunk, but armed people? The captain wouldn't know unless he opened the door to the cabin.

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Post time 2012-9-5 04:06:57 |Display all floors
Everynowhere Post time: 2012-9-5 01:18
The captain would hav authorized them, of course..
But I guess the point is much more: what if th ...
The captain wouldn't know unless he opened the door to the cabin.
At which point, to come to the conclusion,
the whole plane were bound to be pretty much fuc-ked, if the guys were not just drunks.

So, yeah, they had to either land at the next available airport, or return, even if it had been not swiss, but air china.
Nobody else to blame but the drunk guys.
Not that that mattered to fengqing and wumao.

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Post time 2012-9-5 12:32:01 |Display all floors
Air rage, alcohol fuelled rage! whatever when two totally irresponsilty idiots, along with 200 other fare paying passenger are enclosed in a metal tube, then they decide to have 'dance' thus endangering the flight and lives of everyone onboard, would you not be angry!. Personally I'd be   very unhappy at someone was endangering my life in an enclosed space such as this. These flights are long enough haules, often becoming boring, tedious, uncomfortable and restless, people very often become agitated very easy. No needs to see or witness idots endangering the flights causing fear and possible panic how about any children or older people who have to witness this unruly behaviour.  Lets hope they have to dig deep and foot the bill.

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