This post was edited by E.T. at 2012-5-16 17:19|
I found this discussion at ask.lef.org/3909/Should-Life-Extension-Relocate-to-China
I found it to be a very deep and serious debate on whether medicine will advance more in China or the West. I will post the debate here:
Chutzpah: Let’s face it: all vitamins and supplements will be banned in America. Why? Because the percentage of voters that are uneducated is growing. Statistics clearly show that the less educated a woman is, the more children she has. Less educated people are more likely to be deceived by politicians and less likely to engage in any intellectual activity like reading about health science from sites like Lef.org.
China is the coming dominant world power, as the United States, Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand become third world due to more and more of the voters being uneducated. And China is a nation where the elites work for the benefit of the citizens, as opposed to it. They value honest medicine and already believe in the type of science espoused by Life Extension.
Since Life Extension is sure to be criminalized in the United States, as well as in the above countries mentioned, the only way for this company to survive and grow exponentially is to relocate to China, who would welcome the company. China is the only country that will colonize and expand through outer space, and the only country that will transhumanistically augment themselves, so it would be good for Life Extension to become part of that.
Chutzpah: Life Extension can relocate its headquarters, clinics, and research facilities to China, but keep a branch and warehouse in the United States. This way, people in America can still get the products while they are still legal. But once they are all criminalized, LEF would just have to close the USA operations, while the main operations could still continue in China. This would ensure the survival of the company.
oscar2u: Well, you do have CHUTZPA, I must say. I have grown very discouraged with the leadership of the USA over the last 30 years or so. I am far from ready to give up on our Nation, though I am do get discouraged. I say fight back and reclaim our Nation. I know we American`s still have a lot going for us as a people. These international corporations have far too much influence and no loyalty to our Nation. We have allowed the pigs to take over and need to fight back. I refuse to give up on our Nation. So, I say no to your proposal. Why would I ever want to become a weener who simply gives in to such thinking as you suggest. ...Oscar
Chutzpah: Well, you are free to keep on thinking that voters, who after sixty years have still not seen the irrationality of the war on drugs, will suddenly grow a brain. Everyone needs some type of faith: me, I like to think that after I die, I will go to Star Wars land.
Chutzpah: Did you know that in China, stem cells are already being used as a standard medical procedure? For example, stem cells are being regularly used to grow insulin producing cells in the pancreas of diabetics, reducing or eliminating their need for insulin injections. China even uses stem cells to improve vision in the visually impaired, I believe. Western nations and Australia/New Zealand keep on lying and saying that we are hundreds of years away from being able to use stem cells for anything.
China is the future of the world.
Chutzpah: I suggest that all transhumanist scientists and companies relocate to China, since such technologies will be banned in America, Canada, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. This will be the only way to save transhumanism.
Chutzpah: It is my understanding that the Chinese currency is artificially kept low, thus artificially keeping the worth of its GDP low. But if it was allowed to rise naturally, the currency’s worth would double, meaning that China’s true GDP is actually 12 trillion, on par with the United States. But with a growth of 10% a year, it will surpass the United States in one year.
oscar2u: What has gone so very wrong with our Nation?
Chutzpah: And the thing is, no politician is to blame; rather, it’s uneducated voters who put people in office. This is the way it has always been in the West, and how it will always be in the West. But, China is very different. Israel is also very different. I think the future will belong to China and Israel, the two greatest nations in the world.
Chutzpah: I think LEF should ask the Chinese government if they can work with the science and research department of the Chinese FDA. I think the Chinese government would be thrilled about the idea, given the fact that LEF is the world leader in health and medicine.
Chutzpah: I have noticed that people of European descent tend to be quite delusional regarding just how "great" they are. Even as they fall, they think they are among the stars. So be it: as I said, everyone needs something to believe in.
Personally, I plan to invest in the future of Israel and China, not the European-derived nations. For example, I donate money to pro-Israeli causes, and I only buy goods made in China and Israel. I am also learning to speak both Mandarin and Hebrew.
Anyway, I think I've made it quite clear what LEF needs to do if they want to survive. I won't post any more on this subject: thread closed.
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