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Post time 2012-1-8 20:41:44 |Display all floors
That's what you got to understand, and what timbatu is becrying the same way although he is white.


Why do you think I get so pissed off when he talks of the chinese exclusion act?

Yeah, they were prevented from cashing in just like all the other europeans.  

How racist of those europeans not to let the chinese in on the action?
  
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Post time 2012-1-8 20:48:46 |Display all floors
It's actually amazing how quickly the west was transformed considering when this all went down.

Immigrants just kept coming and coming - everyone came for that promise of a new future in the land of plenty.

It was later called by US officials 'natural encroachment of the land' as their defense in the breaking of treaties with the indians.

If you count the entire US, the indians were not a minority until late 18th century.

Even with all the disease.  In the beginning, the white settlers stuck to the east.  The west was left almost wide open for hundreds of years after the first europeans got here.
  
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Post time 2012-1-8 21:11:12 |Display all floors
This post was edited by JFenix at 2012-1-8 21:15
Prior to contact with non-Indians it is estimated that there were about 310,000 American Indians living in the state of California. The deadly mission system imposed by Spanish colonialists and missionaries had taken the lives of tens of thousands of Indians. But the mission system did not reach into many areas and remote valleys like Round Valley. As California fell under U.S. domination, in a relatively short period of time from 1830 to 1890, the Native population of California declined from approximately 245,000 to 16,000. During the worst decade, between 1845 and 1855, the rate of decline was incredible. In less than 10 years the Indian population fell from 150,000 to approximately 50,000. One historian wrote that what the government did to the California Indians was "as close to genocide as any tribal people had faced or would face on the North American continent."

The chinese immigrants were no different than the european immigrants in their reason for coming to california.  The big difference being of course that the white settlers treated them as inferior and committed many shameful acts of discrimination and racism toward the chinese immigrants.

But that doesn't change the fact that both were motivated to exploit the resources without giving a second thought to what was happening to the native americans as a consequence.

Everyone just kept coming as if it were their divine right to do so.

So you claim that the indian population was as low as the chinese when the chinese mass immigrated here?  Not even close.

245,000 native americans in california at the time of the gold rush.  This is only california - not the entire west.  

How many chinese?  

In 1850 there was 23,191,876 total US population with only 4,000+ of chinese origin.

(excuse me while I get these numbers right)

  
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Post time 2012-1-8 23:15:01 |Display all floors
JFenix Post time: 2012-1-8 21:11
The chinese immigrants were no different than the european immigrants in their reason for coming to ...

The Chinese are very different from European immigrants. The Chinese mingle with Natives. The Chinese live and let live. The Europeans kill Natives. Christianity fear nonbelievers. If the Chinese are allowed to make early decisions, the Native Americans would not have been eliminated with only those converted to Christianity allowed to live.

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Post time 2012-1-9 04:18:07 |Display all floors
The chinese came to america for the very same reasons the europeans came.

And their arrival led to the genocide on the native americans.  The armies had to 'protect' the new settlers and 'clear' the land for commerce.  
  
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Post time 2012-1-9 08:53:52 |Display all floors
JFenix Post time: 2012-1-9 04:18
The chinese came to america for the very same reasons the europeans came.

And their arrival led to  ...

People may have the same goal but different culture. The Chinese are very different from European immigrants. The Chinese mingle with Natives. The Chinese live and let live. The Europeans kill Natives. Christianity fear nonbelievers. If the Chinese are allowed to make early decisions, the Native Americans would not have been eliminated with only those converted to Christianity allowed to live.

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Post time 2012-1-9 10:45:19 |Display all floors
'Mingling' is not what they did at all.  The chinese immigrants lived in tight communities.

Doesn't matter their intention.

Every immigrant or settler coming to the west at least contributed indirectly to the genocide that took place and the robbing of the land.
  
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