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Post time 2011-7-17 20:20:42 |Display all floors
Originally posted by LCSULLA at 2011-7-17 19:34
especially as we're here speaking about a shame and not guilt influenced culture,
not feeling bad for any own deeds, but only for getting cought with it, as also evidnent in the touching "conference" the ceo of da vince furniture gave. and best in the situation is to find someone else to blame.
avoid responsibility. that's why even with those supposed "5000 years" we're speaking about a developing country here, and still be for time to come.

with all due respect... this way of seeing things is, in my opinion, not true and a deliberate misunderstanding.

The ability to feel guilt is innate to every human being. And especially the Chinese education and background attaches much importance to morality. It might be that in Asian civilisations, the idea of "face" is more important than in others. But saying that the Asians have no feeling for right or wrong, but only a fear of being blamed or looked down upon by others, is just an inadmissible over-simplification.

And when it comes to "developing country"... Till the 18th century, one can't say which was more a "developing area", China or Europe. In some fields, China was ahead, in others Europe. It was only from the 19th century on that Europe (and Northern America) made a big leap in the field of technology. But unfortunately, only there...

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Post time 2011-7-17 20:26:41 |Display all floors
although we have to say clearly that it's the Asian civilisation that puts its emphasis on responsibility of the individual.

And it's the sino-chauvinists and ultra-nationalists who blame the Westerners and the Western civilisation in general of being forgetful to a values like "duty" and "responsibility".

So I really wonder why they don't admit that the main responsibility for consuming drugs lies in... the consumer himself.

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Post time 2011-7-17 22:08:26 |Display all floors
Originally posted by exportedkiwi at 2011-7-17 19:37


Oi, not all of us NW!

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Sorry Kiwi,

My poor choice of words. Of course not all English teachers are inqualified.

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Post time 2011-7-17 22:16:45 |Display all floors
Originally posted by bern2009 at 2011-7-17 18:37

Lcsulla was talking about the end consumers. And you really can't force anybody to consume drugs.

What the coca farmer in Columbia and opium farmers in Afghanistan are doing is maybe wrong. Wh ...

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The Chinese government at the time knew the harm of the drugs and tried to stop it.

You know what happened then.

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Post time 2011-7-17 22:22:56 |Display all floors
Originally posted by GreedyHyena at 2011-7-17 19:33
I is not my fault being an alcoholic, it is the alcohol industry.

I is not my fault being a chain smoker, it is the tobaco industry.

It is not my fault being a drug addict, it is the dealer.
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Also my sympathy to the Phillipines.

It's not their fault for being Catholics, for the Vatican clowns "didn't" force them to be so.

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Post time 2011-7-17 22:29:55 |Display all floors
Originally posted by bern2009 at 2011-7-17 20:26
So I really wonder why they don't admit that the main responsibility for consuming drugs lies in... the consumer himself.  ...

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The opium addict was stupid enough to use them. The smugglers was clever enough to keep supplying it.

But between them, there's Chinese government at that time, which ban the ugly act. Which then angred the opium smuggler. You know what happened then.

Now suddenly LCLUSA claim the act as "trade". If so, even American doesn't need to set up DEA.

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Post time 2011-7-17 23:20:54 |Display all floors
Originally posted by liuyedao at 2011-7-17 22:29

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The opium addict was stupid enough to use them. The smugglers was clever enough to keep supplying it.

But between them, there's Chinese government at that time, which ban the ugly act. Whic ...


there is demand, there is supply and an exchange between both sides in paid transactions. It is trade.
Of course a Gouvernment has and should have the right to try protecting it's citizens/subjects from drug trafficking, but there's the catch, this way it will drive up the prices and with it the margins to be generated in the trade, making it more profitable and lucrative for the suppliers, while effectively taking any control over it from itself. Not doing that or failing to do so will hardly ruin a whole country though by itself, that is to say, unless the gouvernment is already inherently rotten from within, and it's providing the spark, the fuel for decline of that gouvernment is the state of it itself. without fuel, the spark will maybe make a burn spot, but not light a fire.
Of course it is more convenient for you to blame everything on foreigners.

In California, a part of the market is effectively legal, restricted to cannabis for medical purposes only, sure...
the step improved california's situation, and a complete legalisation of cannabis sativa was expected to help them even more in the current dire situation.
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