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Post time 2010-4-25 05:44:06 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2010-4-23 22:43
and THERE WE HAVE IT, comfirmation!

J-XX programme, VSTOL air superiority fighter!
maybe a WS-13 engine!

ha ha ha


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Sorry, Dragon. But, I'm still of the school that "we won't" go into stealth big time. I mean why invest in huge sums of inventories of any such overly costly systems if indeed stealth is now or definitely will be in the near/distant future become a breachable science? It just don't make any economical sense whatsoever to any major military to have its budget tied up in any such costly ineffective (providing it is detectable) systems.

Yes, we are fiddling with the next generation fighters and flight test have possibly indeed been carried out on a number of such systems because there are things that we just can't BS about especially if it's coming direct from the horse's mouth (Chinese Airforce General) and this something we can't BS about is the words of honor of a top notch military General.

The [artist's conceptions] of what are the JXX's we are working on and that we see in the Internet might not in fact be far fetched but rather more a the Chinese aeronautic community's depiction of what their works of art might/will look as the Real McCoy.  I mean hell, we are not talking about Dick Tracy or Batman and Robin snowmobiles here... we are talking about a Chinese weapon system and not the stuffs of science fiction.  Chinese General are not known for making up BS's.

We see similar artist's depictions of exactly just such American systems published in the like of Scientific America, Mechanic Illustrated, Airforces Monthly, and more way before these system were ever authenticated by the American Defense department.  So why is it so much more different for projects the Chinese are working on?

Unlike the Indian-Ruskie T-50 which Indian sources had suggested will not enter Indian Airforce service until 2018 time frame, Chinese on the other hand doses things much differently. Like the j-10, the 093/094, the ASAT/ABM, and like the DF-21A sure kill carrier killer, you won't see it until its good and ready to be seen and once you've seen it, it's probably a done deal at the ready to be rolled out of the assembly plant.

Yes, "believe" is the word to have faith in here.
Putin's a killer. This was the claim made by Fox News journalist; Bill O'Reilly during his recent interview with Donald Trump. Trump's reply came in the form of a simple question. What, you think our country's so innocent?

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Post time 2010-4-25 07:27:12 |Display all floors
Originally posted by edisonone at 2010-4-25 04:23

Each our own desires to believe in the things we read over the Internet, antimatter... For example" while Mr. Interesting's mentality is clearly based on or driven by the hate he have for th ...


You really can't root for those guys in China. 8 out 10 times, they will disappoint you. then  2 out of 10 they will surprise you ..
I used to root for them but its too tough,  Its easier to bash them for being incompetent than to root for them which is too maddening..
whether I root for them is based on efficiency, and the rate of progress...  Not based on so called patriotism....
There are just way too many BS articles describing the progress of China military techical development..   

Frankly, I think China's technologically development both militarily and commercially is rather slow..

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Post time 2010-4-25 09:33:16 |Display all floors
Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-4-24 15:27


You really can't root for those guys in China. 8 out 10 times, they will disappoint you. then  2 out of 10 they will surprise you ..
I used to root for them but its too tough,  Its easier to b ...


what you think of us don't really matter and how you grade us don't count, antimatter. in fact, it means nothing. what counts is what the world's only superpower has to say about us and how they view us. arming the indians to the teeth with the intent to keep us chinese in check says a lot about us chinese, antimatter... it says that we are a very very serious military rival and contender to them and more so as the clock ticks on. so, think what you will of us, antimatter, because the united states is all that we need to prove to -- not you  :):):)
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Post time 2010-4-26 00:35:23 |Display all floors
Originally posted by edisonone at 2010-4-25 09:33
what you think of us don't really matter and how you grade us don't count, antimatter. in fact, it means nothing. what counts is what the world's only superpower has to say about us and how the ...



There are many factors to it, but by far the number 1 factor of drumming up China threat or capibility is looking for additonal funding by various branches in US.   

There are no many capable competitors outthere, China become the the top dog by default. kind of like in the kingdom of blinds the one-eyed is the king...   

As far as US and China distance, it's quite huge...  China is NOT doing enough of trying to the catch up to US, continuing to be happy as the one eyed king among the blinds.

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Post time 2010-4-26 12:16:30 |Display all floors
Originally posted by antimatter at 2010-4-25 08:35

There are many factors to it, but by far the number 1 factor [ of drumming up China threat or capibility is looking for additonal funding by various branches in US

You would like to think or believe that, wouldn't you, antimatter?

Hey! The Americans can still use the Russians as a dip stick to demand for more oil for America's military machine you know. i mean [would that make more sense than to use China as a sales pitch if you compared russia's10,000plus nukes against what the pentagon claim are China's pathetic itty bitty couple of dozen or so?] Don't you agree?  

America is dumb, but America is not that dumb. In fact, America is very very smart in this respect because, rather than dealing with China directly militarily wise, they are grooming the Indians by helping them catch up to the Chinese military such that the Indians will deal with us instead of themselves.

I mean just imagine that if a military conflict erupts for whatever the reason, the conflict, regardless if nuclear or conventional, will be fought in the Asian continent and not the in any other continent in the world. Convienent isn't it?

Anyway, the following I'm sure dragon is going to have a field day :

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汉和 (Kanwa Intelligence):中国首架舰载机已问世 名为"歼-15"
更新时间:2010-4-26 10:27:10点击数:文字大小:大中小

  西方有关中国航母及舰载机的猜测频现报端,最近,加拿大《汉和防务评论》载文称中国已经制造第一架名为“歼-15”的舰载战斗机,目前正在等待进行试飞工作。

  环球网报道,汉和称,西方有消息称,沈飞去年10月完成了第一架歼-15试飞型原型机的生产,从11月开始在沈阳飞机厂进行了折叠翼的收放等实验。消息称,这架飞机是在在苏-33的试验机T-10K基础上仿制而来,目前正在等待试飞。

  汉和文章提到,在沈阳厂出现了折叠机翼、外形酷似苏-33的原型机,原来被某些西方武官误认为是从乌克兰获得的那架T-10K 03号机,但是,汉和认定这架黄色蒙皮的飞机已经使用了“歼-15”的名称,而且是中国自生的,2010年开始计划进行试飞。之所以如此快速地能够仿造出苏-33,主要原因是中国从乌克兰获得了苏-33的原型机。“从几次实验的情况看,机翼折叠的技术问题已经解决”。

  文章称,目前的问题是试飞。按照惯例,战斗机的试飞应该首先在工厂进行,而工厂的试飞员是空军出身,从来没有出现过工厂所属的海军试飞员。随后,新型战斗机将会送到阎良某基地进行试飞,所以,海军需要建设自己的试飞中心,并培养自己的战斗机试飞员。而海军的试飞中心目前还在建设规划之中,因此歼-15如何试飞,是一个问题。

  文章总结说,中国的航母的确将会使用中国版苏-33.整个歼-15的外形与苏-33的基本外形很相似。文章提到,在4年前,成飞曾经提出过在歼-10的基础上改成双发战斗机,作为中国航母未来战斗机的设想,但未获实行。

  汉和还猜测说,歼-15的研制速度应该可以跟上航母建造的水准,这样从俄罗斯进口苏-33的问题,已经没有必要。而有关舰载机发动机的问题,文章提到“太行”发动机是一个选择,但在材料运用和可靠性方面,与美俄还有差距。



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Post time 2010-4-26 12:19:03 |Display all floors
Putin's a killer. This was the claim made by Fox News journalist; Bill O'Reilly during his recent interview with Donald Trump. Trump's reply came in the form of a simple question. What, you think our country's so innocent?

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Post time 2010-4-26 12:23:07 |Display all floors

Reply #18 antimatter's post

The Falklands war - created the need for ANTI AIR TO SHIP countermeasures!
In fact in modern ships, there is also ANTI TORPEDO countermeasures!

how come the KOREAN CORVETTE is so technically weak?

Gosh!


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Note: J-XX is the next jet for the navy instead of the obsolete J-15 or SU-33!!!!

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