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Post time 2010-3-17 14:17:43 |Display all floors
American experience fails to help them understand Tibet  

A lot of Chinese people do not understand why some Westerners hold demonstrations on the streets to support the Dalai Lama and protest China's policies on Tibet. These westerners have never been to Tibet and even cannot find Tibet on a map, yet they are so quick to judge China's policies on Tibet with regard to aspects such as human rights, morality and culture. Their perspective can best be described as an international cultural hegemonic attitude.

Steven Wong, director of the U.S.-Japan-China Relations Research Center, recently pointed out that Americans have little knowledge of China's history and the feudal serfdom of Tibet before Tibet was liberated. As long as religion, culture or language protection is mentioned, many Americans will compare the U.S. Indian reservations with China's Tibet. Wong migrated with his family from Hong Kong to the U.S. in 1971 and he deeply understands U.S. society. So, his point of view can probably explain some American prejudice on the Tibet issue. Although they may not know where Tibet is, they subjectively believe that what China is doing to Tibet is similar to what the U.S. did to the native Indians in the past, and they cannot just sit by and do nothing.

Why do the Indian reservations concern these Americans so much? Because what the U.S. did to the Indians in history was so unfair and cruel that even Americans cannot forgive themselves anymore. The misery of the Native Americans started when the English colonists stepped onto the American continent, and spread all over after the American War of Independence. During the Westward Movement caused by the industrial revolution, millions of Indians were cruelly slaughtered, and the Indian race and their religion and language almost all became extinct. Though the number is not large, some U.S. filmmakers have focused their attention on this dark period of human rights. For example, the movie "Dances with Wolves," which won many Academy Awards in 1990, and the TV series "Into the West" created by Steven Spielberg, both reflect this period of history. Especially in "Into the West," many historical facts which made people extremely sad and angry were represented, such as the genocidal policy, the Grattan Massacre, the "Chief Sitting Bull" Incident and the Americans breaking the treaties between them and the Indians, such as the "Treaty of Fort Laramie." Currently, the population of the American Indians, who were the native people of the American continent, is only about 2 million, and they have only 225,000 square kilometers of land. Now, they are living in the scattered "reservations" with poor social conditions.

In 2008, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper apologized to the nation's native people for "a sad chapter in our history." So, we assumed that the U.S. would also deeply rethink and repent their own misdeeds and vowed to prevent them from taking place again. In the face of the cruel misdeeds, anyone who abides by basic moral principles cannot feel at ease, let alone Americans who regard themselves as the chosen people of God. We respect the Christian culture in the U.S. and thus understand the prejudices some Americans have against China on the Tibet issue. But, after confessing to God, can Americans restore their self-confidence and believe that they are superior to others and that others deserve their suffering? Can God's love become a premise of cultural hegemony?

Today's China is a confident and open nation which allows tourists from all parts of the world to tour Tibet. Any tourist can witness the difference between Tibet and the Indian reservations in the U.S. So, the prejudice from some Americans resulting from their sense of superiority is a misunderstanding of China's intention.

If the U.S. has really learned from the past, it should not regard itself as the guide in human history and hold that others should repeat its own mistakes. Instead, it should show more respect for different cultures and unfamiliar countries.

Really kind people will be able to understand that without mutual understanding and respect, even a pursuit for civilization can turn into a violence-serving cultural hegemony.

China Tibet Information Center contributes to this article

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Post time 2010-3-18 13:51:08 |Display all floors
Interesting analysis Satsu,

May I make here the following comment?:

There is a nonsense and dishonest attitude in the chinese critic toward "west" (I dont like this word because it suggest a globalization that doesnt exist), this logic is: look what you did (150 years ago: indian, opium war, africa.cololisation).so you have no right to critic us about this point.....Why nowaday china attitude toward foreign should always refering to 150 years ago? it's difficult to understand and accept. (for the simple and good reason that this is not a logic attitude but a part of CCP ideology for strengthening nation)

You talk about "comparing TBT and Indian reserve. I'm sorry, but this argument count against you. Because comparing a shopping mall in lhassa with a shanty town of an indian reserve doesnt really  make sense. If it was possible (it is not) to go freely everywhere in tibet, we could make a good comparizon, and both USA or China should be ashamed for that.

Does the "american experience" fails to help them understand tbt....Yes and no for me: american are far from tibt, even if there are serious tibetologist in USA. But one more time, how many american have really thought about the terrible past of Indian in their country? What they dont accept, is to see that after centuries of history, after the "sad episode" of Indian, we can still see a country send tanks agaisnt monks. What they dont accept, is to see an official discourse far from the everyday life of tbt peoples. One more time satsu, nothing you write here about tbt will never be serious as long as we cannot read on this forum the opinion of  tbt peoples citizen of China.

The indian mohawk recently decided to make white (non mohawk people) leave their reservation.This is a right they have. As for their cultural life. They are not under any authorities for these questions. It tooks so many centuries, bloodbath and drama to have this. But this now, it is not 150 years ago. And tbt is still very far from this situation. Because a thing that must be said, is that many peoples, especially westerners, dont share the argument "look how much money we bring there". because the trues problem are not there, and it is jsut a convenient argument to hide them.

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Post time 2010-3-18 15:53:01 |Display all floors
Originally posted by yasawakic at 2010-3-18 14:51

A Comparison is never flawless. I'm aware of it. You criticize people who look 150 years back, that's ok. Why do you promote a revision of history from the 12th century or even earlier. The question of the TAR has nothing to do with the CCP but everything with China's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

I don't know whether you've ever visited the TAR. If so you must be well aware that the whole territory is open to foreigners bar some military installations. All you need is a T.  b.  permit and in some exceptional cases an additional document that permits you to go to the very few restricted areas ( near military installations). Maybe such special docs are not issued to everybody? I cannot comment on it. Fact is, the area is open to tourists.

  1. One more time satsu, nothing you write here about t will never be serious as long as we cannot read on this forum the opinion of  t.b.t peoples citizen of China.
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If you really know the TAR you're also aware that not many people do speak -, let alone write English. Only the young generation is able to do it and I believe you're talking about REAL T.  b's, not brainwashed refugees.

Last but not least, may I recommend you to visit this province so that you can update your information. It is not really helpful to only see one side of the story. The monk's influence will disappear over time, even in the western world. He is only used once in a while to stir up unrest in the TAR. With Chin's growing importance even this phenomenon will disappear, I bet.

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Post time 2010-3-18 16:09:55 |Display all floors
the west only knows the LIES

thru the evil Eyes of that Die LIES DL
What's on your mind now........ooooooooooooooo la la....Kind Regards

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Post time 2010-3-19 10:25:30 |Display all floors

Interesting stories Americans Don't Know

Interesting stories Americans Don't Know

The Dalai Lama and his "Free Tibet" running dogs will never tell Americans the whole story - because it will undermine the legitimacy of their movement.

Stories about the Panchen Lamas

Panchen Lama the Eleventh was NOT recognized by the Dalai Lama.  But who cares?

Panchen Lama the Tenth was at first NOT recognized by the entire Lhasa administration.  The Dalai Lama was a 15-year old then.  Chiang Kai-Shek recognized him, and later the Communists too.  The Dalai Lama did not want to recognise him at first, but he had no choice but to accept him, and forgot about their own choice candidate for Panchen Lama.

Panchen Lama the Ninth was an enemy of the Dalai Lama the Thirteen.  He was forced into "exile" in inner China provinces from 1920s onwards, until his death in 1937(?).  He was appointed by Chiang Kai-shek to be the Pacification Minister of Western Regions, a Cabinet post.

When the Communists fought the KMT during the civil war, Tibetans on the side of the Communists also fought Tibetans on the side of the KMT.

In fact, it was the founder of the Tibetan Communist Party, Phungye, who led the PLA into Tibet, with other Tibetan communists and 10,000 yaks provided by the Tibetans themselves. The Dalai Lama described of this man Phungye thus: "The Red Tibetan who led the Red Army into Tibet".

So, Tibetans exposed to the modern world like the Tibetan communists wanted modernisation and social-political reforms. They wanted to overthrow slavery and serfdom. Some of them counted on the KMT to do this for them, while others joined ranks with the communists.

Panchen Lama the Ninth, Tenth, and Eleventh are all Chinese patriots advocating China-Tibet unification.

Panchen Lama the Tenth, for example, is famous for exhorting the Tibetans that "Five fingers together make us stronger than one lone finger".

He also said, "Folks on the other side of the mountains advocate Greater Tibet. There is no need for "Greater Tibet". It is too big for us to manage."

When the Dalai Lama clique rebelled in 1959, the Panchen Lama condemned the separatist movement.

The Han followers of Tibetan Buddhism are followers of Panchen Lama (past and present), and other High Lamas. They all are against the separatist policy of Dalai Lama. These Lamas have all chosen to remain in China-Tibet. According to these Han followers, the Panchen Lama the Eleventh, rejected and not recognized by the Dalai Lama, has now been winning a lot of converts among the Tibetans, even in many monasteries that were traditionally the strongholds of the Dalai Lama, because wherever he goes and preaches, there is an aura of righteousness, and signs and miracles follow his Buddha-hood. (I am a Christian by the way).


I hope with the complicated history above, you guys will know and understand that China and Tibet are one. Han-Chinese and Tibetans are brothers. Tibet belongs to Tibetans and all-Chinese peoples.

But the vision and mission of the Dalai Lama is, ONE TIBET, ONE PEOPLE.

The vision of all Chinese peoples is, ONE CHINA, ALL CHINESE PEOPLES

The Chinese peoples have no choice. The Dalai Lama has to be rejected until he repents and learns how to be a patriotic Chinese.

He still has time. There is no such thing as being too old to become patriotic, according to Deng Xiaoping.

Dalai Lama is not the only Lama, he does not represent Ti bet.

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Post time 2010-3-19 12:16:14 |Display all floors

Please read Tibetan sovereignty debate

the CPC is a bunch of proletarian history revisionists.

You can read KMT version of history, or today's Taiwanese writers if you wish.

Please read Tibetan sovereignty debate on the wikipedia.

I contributed a big chunk, purposely avoiding Chinese sources, and referring to Western sources whereever possible.

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Post time 2010-3-24 10:35:12 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2010-3-19 12:19

Kherang jelwa hajang gapo chong

  1. So the question arises: 'A lot of CHinese people' here means the 60 million members of that partisan c ult with pseudo-religious claims to moral superiority, or does it include a few, nay: several (sounds better, doesn't it?) million laypeople?
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Not only 60 million members of the p arty but by far the VAST majority of the people of China. I've no doubt about it.

It includes Chinese experts who studied it - not those pseudo experts in the west who serve the monk's clique.

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