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I started this post in my thread WINDOW TO THE WEST 2 in Free Talk.  This arises from someone who wanted to adopt a child in China.  These are my thoughts and I curious to know what the Chinese people think.

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ABOUT ADOPTION A CHILD …. AND FOSTER PARENTS ….


Lifesong said something interesting and deserving of some thought.  Somehow, when I picked his post from the thread about adoption in China, there seems to be something amiss … perhaps, some posts have been deleted by our beloved Moderators (not atypical though and without good reasons as usual) which makes this remaining post looks rather odd like it’s hanging in mid air without  its “thongs”.

But well-meaning.  Children are important (and a treasure) to every parent, not only because they don’t come easy …. first there must be the “love” between the parents that produce them and the woman to carry this “lovely” creature for a long and hard 9 months, though the experience felt by the mother during these 9 months with the foetus kicking, moving and knocking or calling mum is amazing and the “pleasure” immense for every woman.



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Originally posted by redwine18 at 2006-9-24 14:14



QUESTION IS

HOW DO WE ENTRUST THE FUTURE OF A CHILD TO SOMEONE

WHO IS STILL LEARNING AND HAS SO MANY CURIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT CHINA AND THE CHINESE PEOPLE

A PEOPLE YOU SAY ...
Redwin, I think you are right.
We must try our best to improve our society, and don't depend on foreigners who  adopt Chinese children.
I know many kind foreigners give many children happiness, but still some children's lives we don't know about.
I have seen a movie of Li Lianjie, and become worried about the lives of Chinese women and children who live in other countries.
We must improve our country and society.  



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2006-9-24 15:15 #12



To give up a child for adoption, especially, due to poverty is tough and very tough on every parent, and must have been the last resort

Like lifesong said, “but still some children’s lives we don’t know about.”

Yes, especially with overseas adoption.  

My question is how easy is this done in China for child adoption by foreigners (or even by their locals) ?

What are the precaution and measures to ascertain the suitability and reliability of the foster parents ?

What are the follow-up measures to ensure that the child’s welfare is being taken care of ?

What actions can be taken against foster parents who abused the child (whether direct physical or emotional abuse or through neglect) and what are the measures to monitor child abuse and ensure it doesn’t happen ?

I regard every child’s life and welfare just as my own.  Yes, many of you will come with stories and ideas and would say that adoption is the better of alternatives for the child who would at least have a “home” to live and grow up in rather than be kept in institutions or have suffer in poverty.

But that is not my concern or point.

I am looking to the “individual” level of adoption …. The person who adopts and his/her responsibility, suitability and reliability …

What are the measures of caution ?

In China ?


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Post time 2006-10-1 02:59:09 |Display all floors
From what I know, prospective adoptive parents in the US have to undergo a pretty rigorous background check to prove that they will be good parents; they must also be economically stable (adoption isn't cheap). I think a number of adoption programs have the parents spend a couple weeks in China visiting their baby and getting to know the culture--it's not a long time, but it's a step in the right direction.

On a side note, whampoa, how do you feel about the extensive sex-selective abortions and female infanticide that goes on in China (and is an alternative option for those who don't want to go through the trouble of putting their child up for adoption)?

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Post time 2006-10-1 09:54:14 |Display all floors
Originally posted by sockmonkey at 2006-10-1 02:59
From what I know, prospective adoptive parents in the US have to undergo a pretty rigorous background check to prove that they will be good parents; they must also be economically stable (adoption  ...


'how do you feel about the extensive sex-selective abortions and female infanticide that goes on in China''

What is this 'extensive'? Can you give us a figure?

Pls just let us know the percentage of the above two cases so that we're convinced that you don't draw a conclusion from a small piece of news on a western newspaper.

By the way, guys, do you think the western media have done a good job? How many of the western world know 50%(or even 30%) of China?
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Post time 2006-10-1 11:03:52 |Display all floors
Statistics are hard to find, since up until just now it was illegal, but let me look. In the meantime, it's enough of a problem in places so that the ratio of females to males is up to 100:125 (global average is about 100:104), so that's significant. Statistics Singapore (www.singstat.gov.sg) says that from 1982-89, births beyond the first child have averaged about 110 males to 100 females in all of China. The problem is more significant in the countryside than in the cities.

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Post time 2006-10-1 17:44:43 |Display all floors
In some programme of adoption …

The rules

* About 50,000 children live with 37,000 foster carers in Britain.

As part of the shift away from institutionalised care, two thirds of children who are the responsibility of local authorities live with foster parents rather than in homes. But an extra 10,000 foster carers are needed to plug gaps in the service.

While the rules on gay men and lesbians adopting were changed only last year, they have been able to foster children for much longer.

All potential foster carers are subject to interviews with social workers, a home study and intimate questions about their lives. They are also asked to provide references and undergo checks with the Criminal Records Bureau and investigations into whether they have previously applied to look after children.

Once approved as foster carers, they undergo spot checks from social services and an annual review, while children under their care are visited by their social workers and talked to in confidence.


Experts said that the blame for yesterday's case did not lay with inadequate vetting procedures.

David Holmes, the chief executive of the British Association for Adoption and Fostering (BAAF), said: "The system that we have got at the moment is fine.

"The problem is that if somebody is absolutely determined to lie and deceive or try to undermine the system then they will do that.

"While it is impossible to prevent abuse from happening the important thing is to ensure that if something terrible does happen, the child feels able to disclose it to their social worker."


The blunders

Despite scores of reports and inquiries into individual cases, fatal mistakes have continued to be made in looking after children in care

* February 2000

Victoria Climbie, eight, died in Tottenham, north London, after months of neglect and abuse at the hands of her aunt Marie-Therese Kouao and her lover Carl Manning. They beat, whipped, burnt and starved Victoria; at the time of her death she had 126 separate injuries on her body. Social workers were criticised for believing what they were told by Kouao and considering her attitude towards Victoria to be a result of African cultural mores rather than plain abuse.

* May 2000

Six-year-old Lauren Wright was killed by her step-mother Tracy, who punched the girl so hard in the stomach that her digestive system collapsed.

Teachers, doctors and neighbours raised concerns about her welfare after seeing bruises. But social workers accepted explanations from Tracy Wright that the injuries happened in accidents.

Wright and Lauren's father, Craig, are in jail for manslaughter and neglect.

* September 2003

Toni-Ann Byfield, seven, was shot dead in London where she stayed with Bertram Byfield, who was then thought to be her father. Social workers gave permission for her to stay with a woman in London who told them she was Toni-Ann's aunt. No checks were made and the woman was the girlfriend of Byfield, a crack dealer. He and Toni-Ann were shot in what is believed to have been a revenge attack for a bad deal.




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Post time 2006-10-1 17:48:16 |Display all floors
On the rigorous background check on foster parents.  Nonetheless, abuse does happen.  Here is a sad case of child abuse by foster parents happening in UK …. (and note: while this may be a one incident because it was discovered, there could be more that have not been detected, so really some things are just a tip of the iceberg.)


Gay foster couple jailed for abusing boys in their care
By Arifa Akbar
Published: 24 June 2006

A gay foster couple have been jailed for sexually abusing boys placed in their care.

Ian Wathey, 41, was imprisoned for five years, while his partner, Craig Faunch, 32, was sentenced to six years at Leeds Crown Court, for abusing four boys aged between eight and 14.

The couple from Pontefract, West Yorkshire, who had denied the allegations, were approved as foster carers by Wakefield Council in July 2003 but began using the boys for their own sexual gratification within months.

The court heard that Wakefield social services had been sent a photograph taken by the men of a boy urinating, which could have triggered an investigation, but that it had been lost by the department.

Judge Sally Cahill QC said neither of the men had shown any "empathy, remorse or any responsibility for their actions".

Faunch was found guilty of two charges of making indecent photos of a child and the court was told that he used a camcorder to film two naked eight-year-old boys in the shower.

He was also found guilty of five counts of sexual activity with a 14-year-old boy. Wathey was found guilty of four charges of sexual activity with another 14-year-old boy, and of encouraging a child to watch a gay pornographic video.

Referring to Faunch's abuse of a 14-year-old boy, she said: "You chose to victimise and abuse that boy, showing the very depths in my view of what you are prepared to do."

The court was told how the men had explained away the photograph of the boy urinating to social workers by saying that the images were taken to embarrass the boys into closing the toilet door. The photograph was sent to social services by the child's mother.

Social workers decided that the men had been "naive and silly" for taking the photo after hearing their explanation. Judge Cahill said: "Once you realised social services would not take any action ... you went on to abuse others in your care, believing yourself safe from the authorities."

The judge said it was "quite incredible" that police had not been involved earlier, which may have prevented further abuse.

After the men were convicted three weeks ago, Wakefield Council commissioned a full independent inquiry. Kitty Ferris, from Wakefield's social services, said the department had reviewed its internal procedures to identify what lessons should be learned.

"The allegations made against Mr Faunch and Mr Wathey were referred to the police as quickly as possible and were subject to a joint investigation by the police and social services under the safeguarding procedures," she said. "This investigation led to the prosecution of the couple. The council has offered support to children who have been affected by this case."

Neither man had been in trouble with the police before these incidents came to light, and were approved as foster carers after checks.

The victim whose complaint triggered the police inquiry gave evidence via a video link during the trial. Describing the abuse, he said: "It hurt. Afterwards, I said, 'Pack it in now,' and then I went to bed. I was gutted. I didn't want anything to do with anyone else. All I could do was sit there and cry."

Defence barristers for the two men had claimed that the allegations were "bizarre" and "incredible".



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Post time 2006-10-1 18:14:18 |Display all floors
Someone asked :
On a side note, whampoa, how do you feel about the extensive sex-selective abortions and female infanticide that goes on in China (and is an alternative option for those who don't want to go through the trouble of putting their child up for adoption)?



First, it’s really funny that this someone started this but could not produce any statistics to substantiate her claims.  

Well, I do not know if there is any truth in it or it could be just another propaganda gimmicks from the West.

We, of course, know China is a big country, a Communist, and a potential rival to the West.  Quite naturally, scary things were said by the West about China in the 60s or 70s and even in the 80s then to distance people and deter any support for China.

The use of SLANDEROUS PROPAGANDA by the West then is similar to the present day propaganda on the War of Terror that Mr Bush cleverly, through lies and deception, uses his own brand of terrorism (or anti-terrorism) to evoke fear and further his evil ambitions.  Did you guys not feel the whiff of anti-terrorism sentiments nowadays ?  Maybe not in China.

[So we heard that the US Senate has just passed the controversial ant-terrorist legislation ?]


The controversial West did not stop at the head of state.  We also heard recently, for instance, the stir created by their religious head, the Pope.  He (the pontiff) certainly chose the right timing to associate Islam with terrorism and later feigned ignorance that he did not mean to hurt the feelings of the Muslim people by claiming that his speech was a private affair. There was no apology yet from the Pope.


On the other hand, even if the “claims” were true in the 60s and 70s, they are now outdated in today’s China.

But of course, this could be another Western Propaganda veiled as its "justification" (so to put) to adopt children from poor countries since many western women could not conceive due to a variety of reasons.  It could be lifestyle changes, early sex life (too many previous abortions) or taking contraceptive pills over a too long period which resulted in side effects that destroy her reproductive organs.


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