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Post time 2005-12-30 20:34:50 |Display all floors
i hold da idea dat the bustling population makes it rankin high..actually..no standard english existz... @ _ @

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Post time 2005-12-30 21:17:07 |Display all floors

Do an exercise:

Look carefully at these possible answers. You know how hotels are given one to five stars * for good accommodation and service? Put one to five stars by these suggestions, depending how good you think they are!  

1. Perhaps good English is the English of educated native speakers?
The trouble is that, as we have seen, native speakers don't always agree! We should then have to ask --- which native speakers? American? South African? British? Singaporean?

2. Perhaps good English is written English?
Some people feel that the best spoken English is that which is most like written English. They will say "He talks just like a book" and mean that she speaks in complete sentences, and her meaning is clear for that reason! Then other people will say "She talks like a book" and mean she sounds stiff and formal and unfriendly.

3. Perhaps only some books should be treated as authorities?
When we are in doubt, we should turn to a dictionary or a reference book (the most up-to-date we can find) and let that book --- or rather its author, decide? Dictionaries are certainly very useful. They contain an immense amount of information, and they can often decide doubtful matters for us.

4. Perhaps governments of countries where English is widely used, should decide?
They should set up special Committees, made up of people with a range of expert knowledge, and these should decide and advise on all sorts of language subjects. These Committees are usually called Academies. They seem to work well for several important European languages, including Italian and French. Although the suggestion that English needs an Academy has not now been made for a long time, at least two attempts have been made to set up an Academy for English. Neither lasted long or managed to do much.

[ Last edited by stevenlichen at 2005-12-30 09:18 PM ]
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Post time 2005-12-30 21:17:37 |Display all floors

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No right answers here --- but a good deal to learn.

Different people will give different answers. There is no single authority on what is good English that everyone agrees about. English does have a range of good dictionaries and descriptions--- good, that is, for a wide variety of purposes. Of all the languages of the world, English is almost certainly the one that has been most fully and thoroughly studied and described. If we have a question about vocabulary, or grammar, or pronunciation, we can almost always find a well-informed answer. We have no Academy to answer the question: Here is a new word. Shall we allow it? Here is a new pronunciation. Shall we accept it? Where there are Academies, the result is nearly always to slow down the rate of change.

No Academy has ever been asked the question: Which variety of English is the best one for speakers of other languages to study?

The only people who can ask and answer that question are learners themselves, or (because many of them start to study English when they are very young) schools and institutions and societies responsible for learners.

We know what that decision is: Learners want to learn to read and to write Standard English for international use. They want to speak and understand English that approximates to Educated British or to Educated American English. Very few of them want to sound like native speakers, but they do want to sound like competent users of an international language.

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Post time 2005-12-30 21:25:40 |Display all floors

Understanding "Borrowing" between Languages

In English there are translations from Chinese such as dragon-boat (龙 船) a long canoe-like boat with a prow shaped like a dragon, raced at an annual festival. There are also the inevitable local abbreviations, such as the MTR, the Mass Transit Railway, and ICAC, the Independent Commission Against Corruption. There are Chinese terms such as dim sum (早 茶) small items of food eaten from breakfast time till early afternoon in Chinese restaurants, at yam cha (饮 茶) literally drinking tea, pak choi(白 菜) Chinese cabbage, ma foo (马 夫) stable hand who looks after horses, literally horse attendant, and fung shui (风 水) wind and water - a form of geomancy, gweilo (鬼 佬) ghost person is the term used for European males, while the term for females is gweipor (鬼婆 ) - they are used by columnists or cartoonists, but not in news reporting. At Chinese New Year the papers contain many occur-rences of the greeting kung hei fat choy (恭喜发财) a greeting for prosperity, literally congratulate you on making a lot of money.

Quoted from Andrew Taylor HongKong's Eng-lish Newspapers English Today
no. 20 October ++, pages 18-24.


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Post time 2006-1-1 21:56:38 |Display all floors

good info.

Frankly,I don't mean to against your view,just wanna complement  my idea through Steven Lee 's poster.We are fine with Chinglish,some English speaker  couldn't get the idea without being told the english interpretation of ,like "ma foo ",and stuff.As I said,Chinglish should be taken as a tool created by Chinese-English speaker to communicate with foreigners,rather than so-called"nonstandard" language.

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Post time 2006-1-2 03:23:45 |Display all floors
Originally posted by ruotong at 2005-12-18 14:10
thanks for share, Tumu GG

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Post time 2006-1-4 20:57:30 |Display all floors
Originally posted by hly2004 at 2005-12-18 14:58
认为中式英语,不应当发扬,而要向真正的英语(英语国家)靠拢,因为其实所谓的"chinglish"实际上就是我们自己在学习英语中犯下的错误,导致了现在‘将错就错’的局面。而"chingilsh"即不是一 ...

I don't think that I share your opinion !! Just as everyone Knows, China is strong , it has change some other countries history !! And it has "eat" so many countries in the history !! So there are enough reasons for us to think that it can also affect the English ,and even English-speaking countres !!!
Maybe I am the first man!

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