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Post time 2018-8-12 01:00:41 |Display all floors
We need to understand that much human work will be replaced by machines. This is actually a blessing. The problem is to still provide the humans enough money to buy the production. That means paying humans to do what they really can do - which is to consume. The rich owners of the robots must be sufficiently-taxed so the proceeds can be given to the consumers. If the consumers can't buy there will be violent disorder. And even the rich will suffer. This is not socialism. It's common sense capitalism. Without consumers the capitalists will become poor.
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Post time 2018-8-12 03:09:24 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2018-8-11 18:00
We need to understand that much human work will be replaced by machines. This is actually a blessing ...

with dead consumers even poorer
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Post time 2018-8-12 03:10:14 |Display all floors
Adam Smith was, for the most part thus right - if we allow a free market, the wealth will spread given everyone has an equal amount of labor power, more or less, at their disposal.


But that is rarely the case, because value of production almost never depends solely on amount of workers (or robots).

Even in such grassroot industries like farming, the quality of farmland, climate, and skills of the farmers have huge impact. Similarly in modern industries, mobile phones for example, there are reasons why some companies have bigger market share or profit margin than others, and those are much more than size of production lines.

I'll focus more on farming. For example in Europe and China, the climate in northern and southern parts is quite different. In Yunnan, albeit otherwise impoverished region, farmers can grow one crop or another aroun the year. But nothing grows in snow in the north.

In EU an attempt to level the playing field is to subsidize farmers in the climate-challenged areas, and thus make the game fairer for farmers competing freely in same market. Perhaps that is an example of socialist characteristics of EU.

Zimbabwe, and changes in land ownership arrangements there,  is an example of skills of farmers having big impact on production.

This may be off the topic, but I just want to argue that value of production depends on many more dimensions than amount of workers or robots.

For example in modern industries, both manufacturing and service, the necessity and aspects of building a brand or other non-material value is something that I believe neither Marx nor Smith could consider in their time.

Therefore to me it is understandable why modern-day marxists do not emphasize the point you brought up - doing so requires them to neglect too many aspects of modern world, and renders their argument into theoretical debate about an alternative reality.

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Post time 2018-8-21 07:28:44 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2018-8-11 12:00
We need to understand that much human work will be replaced by machines. This is actually a blessing ...

In other words, even capitalism will not work unless the human consumers have enough money to BUY the products of the machines. If they don't, the capitalist will make no money! The main economic function of humans is NOT to work. It is to CONSUME! That's what keeps capitalism WORKING.
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Post time 2018-8-21 09:29:58 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2018-8-11 14:10
But that is rarely the case, because value of production almost never depends solely on amount of  ...

The subsidization of EU farmers has little to do with socialism. It origninated partly because the separate countries needed to try to be self-sufficient ("autarky") in food production in case of war. It then evolved because rural regions had more political representation (fewer farmers to elect a representative than urban workers). In the absence of war it makes no sense to subsidize less-efficient farming. The consumers and tax-payers pay for the privileged inefficient farmers. It would make more sense for the farmers to move to warmer more fertile areas.
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Post time 2018-11-22 17:33:04 |Display all floors
petera Post time: 2018-8-10 13:30
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Post time 2018-11-23 06:13:10 |Display all floors
bushier Post time: 2018-11-22 17:33
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Imagine those fragile wings cutting slots in massive steel columns !!!!!
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