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This post was edited by Jaaja at 2017-8-27 22:34
seneca Post time: 2017-8-27 11:05
You disagree with me out of sheer unfamiliarity with the topic, mate! Nobody owes Deng anything. ...
Nobody owes Deng anything. He did not invent the concept of Foreign English Teachers For China [...] Whether that was due to the opening-up policy or not is irrelevant

I think that it is relevant in understanding why the situation is what it is. China went from "glorious to be poor" to "glorious to be rich" overnight, after only recently wasting a generation of education in cultural revolution.

As a result, China had lot of catching up with rest of the world to do in many aspects, and one of those is proficiency in English language.

China in a short time trained its own English teachers for the whole nation.

If that is the case, then why so few Chinese today know English? Don't just think of the English language education here, because the education system as whole was screwed (and partially continues to be) and great English textbooks or even teachers do not help in that situation.

Having failed to learn English properly themselves (with whatever system was in place in those years), Chinese parents today think, that a faster/better way to have their children learn English is to have foreigners come teach English.

The majority of them are dispassionate, disinterested. Teaching a foreign language after all is a tricky job: with one foot you stand on enemy territory; how can you make sure that the other foot does not lose balance on home territory?  

I think that here you picked up a prime reason for the observed lack of passion or interest.

With passionate interest in learning another language, comes (or should come) interest to the culture that the language reflects. And there are some well known limitations with that in China.

Such limitations would not exist in many other countries, which explains why local English teachers perform better there than in China.

If you are a Chinese teacher of English language, you can only go so far with interest in other English affairs, before your career gets politically blocked for showing too much interest in such.

You work in education - how many headmasters or other leading characters in Chinese schools do you know, who would not be members of the party?

I discussed this matter couple of years ago with expat group where I live, and it was mentioned that in recent years many of the headmasters in local institutions had been rotated to make sure that the party is in control.

But such official institutions are a drop in the ocean in my opinion. The market for unqualified foreign teachers is not there, but in extra-curricular training centres and other off-the-grid operations. I know for example art schools for preschool children, who have foreigners to give English classes on the side.

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Jaaja Post time: 2017-8-26 23:56
I wonder what you are talking about?

Every formal document that is to be used in another countr ...

Again, you are wrong. Chinese Consulates have nothing to do with this process. The foreign teacher's paperwork is looked at by a Chinese Visa Center. If it has a Notary Public stamp on it, or a form stating it is authentic, then the process continues. If not, the applicant is asked to get it notarized. Visa Centers are not the same as Consulates. Often, the two buildings are many city blocks apart, and have nothing to do with each other. I have gone through this process seven times in 12 years. How many times have you gone through it?
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This post was edited by Jaaja at 2017-8-28 10:27
cmknight Post time: 2017-8-27 23:08
Again, you are wrong. Chinese Consulates have nothing to do with this process. The foreign teacher ...
Again, you are wrong. Chinese Consulates have nothing to do with this process. The foreign teacher's paperwork is looked at by a Chinese Visa Cente

I have done the process about 5 times in as many years, at a Chinese consulate in my home country.

In my country, there is no Chinese Visa Center - visa applications, and document authentications, are done at the consulate.

I have also done the same process reversed - legalizing Chinese documents to be used in my home country. This also has included authenticatiing the document first as Chinese Foreign Ministry in Beijing, and then at my home country's consulate in Beijing.

As I have no experience with Chinese Visa Centers, I cannot comment on their functions.

But my own country has visa centers in China. I don't think that they handle document authentications at all, but as far as visas for Chinese nationals go, those visa centers will only receive and screen the application material, and then send them to Beijing or Shanghai (along with the applicant's passport) to the actual consulate for processing. From there the passport with visa (unless rejected) is sent back to the visa center for pickup.

The function of visa center in this case is only slightly more than a post office.

Visa centers of my home country in China are operated by commercial operator named VFS Global, and the same company also serves number of other countries in similar fashion. Tthey are not qualified to make the final decision about anything - consulate does all the decisions.

I base my my information on this - and extend it to at least the numerous other countries who employ a similar outsourced visa center scheme.

I don't know where you are from, or how the Chinese Visa Centers in your country operate - but I would be surprised if it was anyone but an employee of the consulate doing the authentication - whether he did this in office at the consulate, or two blocks away at the Visa Center, is really irrelevant.

EDIT: I checked website of random Chinese Visa Application Service Center (specifically in Canada). The important piece is in the FAQ: "Please note that the Visa Centre does not participate in the assessment and approval of Chinese visas." - Despite being a visa center, the centre itself does not approve any visas.

I am quite sure that this also applies to document authentications. The center is only responsible for receiving and screening the applications, and delivering finished items for customers. For actual authentication, the documents go to the consulate and back.

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cmknight Post time: 2017-8-26 23:45
The State's minimum teaching requirement is a joke, and you know it. The State requires that the " ...

You have misunderstood the purpose of the government's minimum requirement for a uni degree, of any discipline, not necessarily teaching or English.  The purpose is to ensure that foreign teachers have at ieast attained a uni education, which is generally accepted as having broadened their minds.  Teaching English to Chinese students does not require an MA in education.  All they want is for their students to have a reasonably good knowkedge of English to plug into the world economy, or to go fir further studies abroad.

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seneca Post time: 2017-8-28 11:10
The parents, let us not forget that, are as clueless as anyone in China. They are not good judge ...

You are right on one point, Chinese parents are "clueless";   they labor under the misconception that English can only be taught by  thise with white skin, even tourists, who are not qualified, and can't get the foreign expert certificate!  Yes, Chinese parents are indeed "clueless", and racially prejudiced as well!

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