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Let us not discuss the Three Gorge dam to death - I mentioned it because the Chinese media were  ...

Yes, Chinese media was under control, that is why government was able to do it.

If letting media and journalists talk freely, plus some act1vists, government wouldn't be able to do it. Media and activists are the reasons India can't build enough infrastructure.

Cultural heritage and environment, sure, I am sure that scientists evaluated it, there is no alternative.

That is whole point. When media talks about the hum@n r1ght 1ssue in China, why didn't mention this? Why didn't give westerners the WHOLE pictures, then at least Westeners know why government did it and let them judge themselves.

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You conveniently overlook the fact that the people of every country should have the right to ove ...

Do you think that CCP voluntarily started anti-corruption movement?

No, I didn't overlook overseeing the government, that is why I would have stood with you if people were not allowed to criticize government, I would have stood with you if people were not allowed to bash government on internet.

Actually, in China, people have better chance overseeing what government is doing than in west, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN CHINA WHO TRY TO OVERTHROW THIS GOVERNMENT. So any wrongdoing by government officers WILL GET PUBLIC ATTENTION, though people may not know the details and such things won't become public topics. That is why government knows that it has to do something about corruptions, otherwise their ruling will be in danger.

In west, what do people know? Nothing!!! they don't know how elected politicians work for the super rich and big corps, they don't know how the families of elected politicians benefit from their political power, they don't know how huge shares of money are taken away from unions.

Why? because media didn't pursue such cases. Why doesn't media? because it will jeopardize the system under which they are the judges in the rooms.

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This post was edited by ztoa789 at 2016-5-2 00:57
In a more equitably organised society, the media are the hinge that connects the government and the people. The media should communicate between both sides.

That is what is written on paper, not reality. In reality, since TV became popular, media and journalists gained the up hand, and in anywhere with so-call free speech, government is blamed for anything that is wrong in society, government can't do anything right, people, even criminals and parasites can mock government, In a word, government is a b1tch.

To you the construction of the Three GOrge dam seems to be the most important,

There are 120 million people in SiChuan, you think even 5 million of them would put antique and environment above their livelihood?

It is only very few "elite" who cares, some of them really care, most of them just use the potential issues to make government look bad. OK?

Now, if they really care, they will not bash government if the project fails and government can't help the poor.

Also, future generations might wonder: why didn't the Chinese media inform the public and the government of the environmental impact, the silting and the dangers involved in the site being atop a seismic activity zone.


Who do you think media and journalists are? they inform government? The situation was studied by scientists for years, there were talks on media about the potential problems, like those fishes who bred upstream, and sinking sands on river banks, etc.

It is just that media was not allowed to control the topic. If they had had all the control, there would have been almost no talks about the benefit of the dam, 80% would be all about the right of those 1 million people and activists, plus 19% on the environment issue, and 1% about electricity, which sure would make government look like a monster.

Like I said, the priority of media is making government look like a @$$ h0le, either way, it is a game for them. Helping people is not what they care, they love talk abouting hum@n r1ght only because it can make government look bad, and it is good for their power.




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The media should communicate between both sides. That is not the case in China. You said the media's job is to portray the good of a government's projects but that is only a subjective perception.


No, I didn't say that. I said that media in general didn't treat government fairly, and overwhelmingly side with whoever are the opposite side of government, regardless who are right.

Media don't communicate with either people of government in general. Whatever come up, they filter out those don't fit their agenda, and package or sensationalize the issues in the ways they like, then sell to public.

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This post was edited by ztoa789 at 2016-5-2 03:22

Check this article : "Can India's infrastructure rival China's?" by Manjeet Kripalani, BusinessWeek | May 08, 2006

The commotion over the building of a dam over the Narmada River in the western Indian state of Gujarat hogged the headlines in India over the past few weeks. Medha Patkar, activist and leader of the Narmada Bachao Andolan (Save Narmada movement), went on a 20-day fast to protest the government's failure to come to the aid of an estimated 500,000 villagers who have lost their livelihood as a consequence of the Sardar Sarovar dam, which will supply electricity to Gujarat state.

The issue has become a classic one of haves vs. have-nots: On one side are the farmers who need the dam to irrigate their fields, and on the other are those who have lost access to their land because of it. And true to type, the ruling Congress administration in New Delhi, afraid of alienating any bloc of potential voters, didn't make a decision. Instead the government left it to the Supreme Court to direct the state to speed up its program for compensating and relocating the area's inhabitants.

Power struggle

It all generates a rather depressing sense of deja vu. Patkar has staged several hunger strikes in the 20 years the dispute has been running, in support of the rights of the local tribespeople. The Supreme Court has handed down several decisions and directions on the building of the dam and compensation and relocation efforts -- and reaffirmed them last month.

That would have been situation in China's SiChuan with so-called free speech. Communication between people and government? No, never.


An estimated 500,000 villagers who have lost their livelihood as a consequence of the Sardar Sarovar dam ? Really ? 500,000 people would be relocated to other places to continue their livelihood, and they would have benefitted too when dam was built.


You think India government didn't throughly study the potential issues of the dam? Of couse it did. why would it need media to inform them? what did media know?


How did media cover this? I guess 80% is about those activists and protests they organized, 19% on potential environment issues, and 1% on the electricity.


You see, media and activists make it impossible for government working for people, then now they blame the problem of lack of infrastructure on government. They are always right, and government looks so impotent.

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