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Westerners. Do you want idiots pretending to be smart speaking for you ? [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2004-8-18 18:37:08 |Display all floors
I mean think about.

Surely you want people who have knowledge and depth to speak for you.

These pages are filled with " HUMAN WHITES " issues.

They are also filled with failed westerm people who live to be critics.

All the creative people on the forum are Chinese.

All the failed people are westerners who like to be critics.

What are " HUMAN WHITES ISSUES ", well I think they are obvious.

A fear of inferiority by the advancing Chinese.

A terrible fear of being second for the first time in their entire life.

I f I were them, I may also be very afraid of the Chinese.

The westerners do not need the Chinese to remember, they need the Chinese to forget, why, so they can and are able, to do to China again what they have done before.

It is all well and good for the west to have people speak for it, very good, but the sending of idiots to do the work of intelligent people has created a terrible mess.

There is not one rational post that contains logic from the western side, just these " HUMAN WHITES ISSUES ", to try and cover the thousands of wrongs against the Chinese over 400 years.

Why not simply admit them.

Why not ?

Why not simply say, that the western people admit, that they have used the Chinese, abused the Chinese  killed murdered and raped and stolen from the Chinese, joined in Scientific experiments on Chinese, tried to Split Chinese, tried to split China, tried to subvert China and tried for a great many hundreds of years to destroy the one China for fear that one day ( NOW ), China will rise up and be all she can and will be.

Therfore relegating the westerner to a second position, a position of which holds great terror for him, as he has had superiority bred into his blood stream, he must now face cold hard reality of being second best.

The westerner will stop at nothing to avoid the fate and destiny of being second to the Chinese.

This I understand.

I do understand, it it not an irrational fear, it is a real fear.

But why send idiots to speak for you.

This is what I do not understand.

Send a person or people, who are capable of making their opinion felt, their opinion known.

After all, China will never treat you the way you treated her.

So it is not as bad as you think to be second behind China.

Conclusion, send writers who are creators, who have imagination and who are capable of making a defence or a difference, that is free of the contant insults to the great and mighty China.

Send master writers, send westerners who can deal with being second best in the world, please refrain from the constant flow of idiots and failed westerners giving opinions as critics of mighty China.

Thank You.

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Post time 2004-8-18 18:43:40 |Display all floors

J & J

You are THE poet of this CD board.


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From the Analects of Confucius

The following selections from Confucius's Analects, or “Assorted Sayings,” illustrate some of his core ideas: humanity, loyalty, reciprocity, and ritual. When Fan Chi asks about “humanity,” Confucius answers, “love men,” a phrase that literally means “be concerned about others.” The disciple Zeng Zi says that Confucius's teaching is “loyalty and reciprocity”; one should do one's best for others and identify as much as one can with the other person. Confucius was also concerned about “ritual,” the whole collection of customs and manners in society. He viewed ritual as the binding force of a community and its cultivation as the duty of scholars. References below are to book and verse numbers.


From the Analects of Confucius

Confucius said: “Learning without thinking is labor lost; thinking without learning is perilous.” [II:15]

Confucius said: “Yu, shall I teach you what knowledge is? When you know a thing, say that you know it; when you do not know a thing, admit that you do not know it. That is knowledge.” [II:17]

Confucius said: “Worthy indeed was Hui! A single bamboo bowl of millet to eat, a gourdful of water to drink, living in a back alley—others would have found it unendurably depressing, but Hui's cheerfulness was not affected at all. Worthy indeed was Hui!” [VI:9]

When Yen Hui died Confucius bewailed him with exceeding grief. His followers thereupon said to him: “Sir! You are carrying your grief to excess.” Confucius said: “Have I gone to excess? But if I may not grieve exceedingly over this man, for whom shall I grieve?” [XI:9]

Confucius said: “A young man's duty is to be filial to his parents at home and respectful to his elders abroad, to be circumspect and truthful, and, while overflowing with love for all men, to associate himself with humanity (ren). If, when all that is done, he has any energy to spare, then let him study the polite arts.” [I:6]

Confucius said: “Shen! My teaching contains one principle that runs through it all.””Yes,” replied Zeng Zi. When Confucius had left the room the disciples asked: “What did he mean?” Zeng Zi replied: “Our Master's teaching is simply this: loyalty and reciprocity.” [IV:15]

Zigong asked: “Is there any one word that can serve as a principle for the conduct of life?” Confucius said: “Perhaps the word ‘reciprocity’: Do not do to others what you would not want others to do to you.” [XV:23]

Fan Chi asked about humanity. Confucius said: “Love men.” [XII:22]

Zi Zhang asked Confucius about humanity. Confucius said: “To be able to practice five virtues everywhere in the world constitutes humanity.” Zi Zhang begged to know what these were. Confucius said: “Courtesy, magnanimity, good faith, diligence, and kindness. He who is courteous is not humiliated, he who is magnanimous wins the multitude, he who is of good faith is trusted by the people, he who is diligent attains his objective, and he who is kind can get service from the people.” [XVII:6]

Confucius said: “Without humanity a man cannot long endure adversity, nor can he long enjoy prosperity. The humane rest in humanity; the wise find it beneficial.” [IV:2]

Confucius said: “Only the humane man can love men and can hate men.” [IV:3]

Someone inquired: “What do you think of ‘requiting injury with kindness’?” Confucius said: “How will you then requite kindness? Requite injury with justice, and kindness with kindness.” [XIV:36]

Confucius said: “Is humanity something remote? If I want to be humane, behold, humanity has arrived.” [VII:29]

Confucius said: ...”Is there anyone who exerts himself even for a single day to achieve humanity? I have not seen any who had not the strength to achieve it.” [IV:6]

Confucius said: “As to Hui, for three months his mind did not deviate from humanity. The others can do so, some for a day, some even for a month, but that is all.” [VI:5]

Confucius said: “Riches and honor are what every man desires, but if they can be obtained only by transgressing the right way, they must not be held. Poverty and lowliness are what every man detests, but if they can be avoided only by transgressing the right way, they must not be evaded. If a gentleman departs from humanity, how can he bear the name? Not even for the lapse of a single meal does a gentleman ignore humanity. In moments of haste he cleaves to it: in seasons of peril he cleaves to it.” [IV:5]

Confucius said: “The resolute scholar and the humane person will under no circumstance seek life at the expense of humanity. On occasion they will sacrifice their lives to preserve their humanity.”

Source: William Theodore de Bary et al., ed. Sources of Chinese Tradition. Vol. 1. New York: Columbia University Press, 1960.

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Post time 2004-8-18 19:08:09 |Display all floors

No Stud, CALIMERO was right, in the post down below.

I must exclude WAYVES in the USA and CALIMERO  from Europe from my lead post. They are both intelligent and fair and reasonable.

But two is not enough.

You know and I know the intention is always to make China forget.

The contant critic from the failed westerners, is for China to forget.

They present a huge array of reasons why China should forget, but the fact is, they need China to forget, so they can do it to China  again and again and again and again.

This is why they require for China to forget.

Never forget China, remember and keep those memories near.

Remember China.

To forget is instant defeat.

Remember China.

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Confucius said: “Only the humane man can love men and can hate men.” [IV:3]

Thank You Stud.

Many Thanks.

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Post time 2004-8-18 19:18:45 |Display all floors

From Mencius

The Mencius (Book of Mencius) is one of the classic texts of Confucianism, an important system of thought in China. In these excerpts, probably recorded by his followers in the third century bc, Chinese philosopher Mencius declares that human beings are by nature good and have an innate sense of compassion, shame, courtesy, and the difference between right and wrong. Mencius also lays out principles for humane government. Many parts of the Mencius text consist of dialogues between Mencius and his students or other philosophers.


From the Mencius

Human Nature

Gaozi said: "The nature of man may be likened to the willow tree, whereas righteousness may be likened to wooden cups and wicker baskets. To turn man's nature into humanity and righteousness is like turning a willow tree into cups and baskets." Mencius replied: "Sir, can you follow the nature of the willow tree, and make the cups and baskets? Or must you violate its nature to make the cups and baskets? If you must violate the nature of the willow tree to turn it into cups and baskets, then don't you mean you must also violate the nature of man to turn it into humanity and righteousness? Your words, alas, would incite everyone in the world to regard humanity and righteousness as a curse!"

Gaozi said: "The nature of man may be likened to a swift current of water: you lead it eastward and it will flow to the east; you lead it westward and it will flow to the west. Human nature is neither disposed to good nor to evil, just as water is neither disposed to east nor west." Mencius replied: "It is true that water is neither disposed to east nor west, but is it neither disposed to flowing upward nor downward? The tendency of human nature to do good is like that of water to flow downward. There is no man who does not tend to do good; there is no water that does not flow downward. Now you may strike water and make it splash over your forehead, or you may even force it up the hills. But is this in the nature of water? It is of course due to the force of circumstances. Similarly, man may be brought to do evil, and that is because the same is done to his nature."

Gaozi said: "Nature is what is born in us." Mencius asked: "'Nature is what is born in us'—is it not the same as saying white is white?" "Yes," said Gaozi. Mencius asked: "Then the whiteness of a white feather is the same as the whiteness of white snow, and the whiteness of white snow the same as the whiteness of white jade?" "Yes," Gaozi replied. Mencius asked: "Well, then, the nature of a dog is the same as the nature of a cow, and the nature of a cow the same as the nature of a man, is it not?"

Gaozi said: "The appetite for food and sex is part of our nature. Humanity comes from within and not from without, whereas righteousness comes from without and not from within." Mencius asked: "What do you mean when you say that humanity comes from within while righteousness comes from without?" Gaozi replied: "When I see anyone who is old I regard him as old. This regard for age is not a part of me. Just as when I see anyone who is white I regard him as white, because I can observe the whiteness externally. For this reason I say righteousness comes from without." Mencius said: "Granted there is no difference between regarding the white horse as white and the white man as white. But is there no difference between one's regard for age in an old horse and one's regard for age in an old man, I wonder? Moreover, is it old age itself or our respectful regard for old age that constitutes a point of righteousness?" Gaozi persisted: "My own brother I love; the brother of a man of Qin I do not love. Here the sanction for the feeling rests in me, and therefore I call it [i.e., humanity] internal. An old man of Chu I regard as old, just as an old man among my own people I regard as old. Here the sanction for the feeling lies in old age, and therefore I call it [i.e., righteousness] external." Mencius answered him: "We love the Qin people's roast as much as we love our own roast. Here we have a similar situation with respect to things. Would you say, then, that this love of roast is also something external?"

The disciple Kongdu Zi said: "Gaozi says that human nature is neither good nor bad. Some say that human nature can be turned to be good or bad. Thus when [sage-kings] Wen and Wu were in power the people loved virtue; when [wicked kings] Yu and Li were in power the people indulged in violence. Some say that some natures are good and some are bad. Thus even while [the sage] Yao was sovereign there was the bad man Xiang, even a bad father like Gusou had a good son like [the sage-king] Shun, and even with [the wicked] Zhou for nephew and king there were the men of virtue Qi, the Viscount of Wei, and the Prince Pigan. Now, you say that human nature is good. Are the others then all wrong?" Mencius replied: "When left to follow its natural feelings human nature will do good. This is why I say it is good. If it becomes evil, it is not the fault of man's original capability. The sense of mercy is found in all men; the sense of shame is found in all men; the sense of respect is found in all men; the sense of right and wrong is found in all men. The sense of mercy constitutes humanity; the sense of shame constitutes righteousness; the sense of respect constitutes decorum (li); the sense of right and wrong constitutes wisdom. Humanity, righteousness, decorum, and wisdom are not something instilled into us from without; they are inherent in our nature. Only we give them no thought. Therefore it is said: 'Seek and you will find them, neglect and you will lose them.' Some have these virtues to a much greater degree than others—twice, five times, and incalculably more—and that is because those others have not developed to the fullest extent their original capability. It is said in the Book of Odes:

Heaven so produced the teeming multitudes that
For everything there is its principle.
The people will keep to the constant principles,
And all will love a beautiful character.

Confucius said, regarding this poem: 'The writer of this poem understands indeed the nature of the Way! For wherever there are things and affairs there must be their principles. As the people keep to the constant principles, they will come to love a beautiful character.'"

Mencius said: "All men have a sense of commiseration. The ancient kings had this commiserating heart and hence a commiserating government. When a commiserating government is conducted from a commiserating heart, one can rule the whole empire as if one were turning it on one's palm. Why I say all men have a sense of commiseration is this: Here is a man who suddenly notices a child about to fall into a well. Invariably he will feel a sense of alarm and compassion. And this is not for the purpose of gaining the favor of the child's parents, or seeking the approbation of his neighbors and friends, or for fear of blame should he fail to rescue it. Thus we see that no man is without a sense of compassion, or a sense of shame, or a sense of courtesy, or a sense of right and wrong. The sense of compassion is the beginning of humanity; the sense of shame is the beginning of righteousness; the sense of courtesy is the beginning of decorum; the sense of right and wrong is the beginning of wisdom. Every man has within himself these four beginnings, just as he has four limbs. Since everyone has these four beginnings within him, the man who considers himself incapable of exercising them is destroying himself. If he considers his sovereign incapable of exercising them, he is likewise destroying his sovereign. Let every man but attend to expanding and developing these four beginnings that are in our very being, and they will issue forth like a conflagration being kindled and a spring being opened up. If they can be fully developed, these virtues are capable of safeguarding all within the four seas; if allowed to remain undeveloped, they will not suffice even for serving one's parents."

Mencius said: "Man's innate ability is the ability possessed by him that is not acquired through learning. Man's innate knowledge is the knowledge possessed by him that is not the result of reflective thinking. Every child knows enough to love his parents, and when he is grown up he knows enough to respect his elder brothers. The love for one's parents is really humanity and the respect for one's elders is really righteousness—all that is necessary is to have these natural feelings applied to all men."

Humane Government

Mencius went to see King Hui of Liang. The king said: "You have not considered a thousand li too far to come, and must therefore have something of profit to offer my kingdom?" Mencius replied: "Why must you speak of profit? What I have to offer is humanity and righteousness, nothing more. If a king says, 'What will profit my kingdom?' the high officials will say, 'What will profit our families?' and the lower officials and commoners will say, 'What will profit ourselves?' Superiors and inferiors will try to seize profit one from another, and the state will be endangered.… Let your Majesty speak only of humanity and righteousness. Why must you speak of profit?"

Mencius said: "It was by virtue of humanity that the Three Dynasties won the empire, and by virtue of the want of humanity that they lost it. States rise and fall for the same reason. Devoid of humanity, the emperor would be unable to safeguard the four seas, a feudal lord would be unable to safeguard the altars of land and grain [i.e., his state], a minister would be unable to safeguard the ancestral temple [i.e., his clan-family], and the individual would be unable to safeguard his four limbs. Now people hate destruction and yet indulge in want of humanity—this is as if one hates to get drunk and yet forces oneself to drink wine."

Mencius said: "An overlord is he who employs force under a cloak of humanity. To be an overlord one has to be in possession of a large state. A king, on the other hand, is he who gives expression to his humanity through virtuous conduct. To be a true king, one does not have to have a large state. Tang [founder of the Shang dynasty] had only a territory of seventy li and King Wen [founder of the Zhou] only a hundred. When men are subdued by force, it is not that they submit from their hearts but only that their strength is unavailing. When men are won by virtue, then their hearts are gladdened and their submission is sincere, as the seventy disciples were won by the Master, Confucius. This is what is meant in the Book of Odes when it says:

From east and west,
From north and south,
Came none who thought of disobedience."

Mencius said: "States have been won by men without humanity, but the world, never."

Mencius said: "It was because Jie and Zhou lost the people that they lost the empire, and it was because they lost the hearts of the people that they lost the people. Here is the way to win the empire: win the people and you win the empire. Here is the way to win the people: win their hearts and you win the people. Here is the way to win their hearts: give them and share with them what they like, and do not do to them what they do not like. The people turn to a humane ruler as water flows downward or beasts take to wilderness."…

Source: Sources of Chinese Tradition. de Bary, William Theodore, et al., eds. New York: Columbia University Press, 1960.

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Post time 2004-8-18 19:25:08 |Display all floors

Thank you, J & J, for saying "China will never treat you (the west) the way you

Well said, Judge, well said!!

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