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Newtown Post time: 2015-7-26 18:26
Well what is good enough? Name a regime that has "real democracy" good enough to fit your demands ...
You: You can fight for an ideal, you might not truly know what the end result of that ideal could be: hundreds of thousands of comrades waving little red books would be an example of that.
Me: You have the idea that only China is full of propaganda but other countries are free of it. That is simply not true. That shows you have a narrow mind that is closed to anything that is different.
You: What, like the students on the mainland, easily swayed to follow the party line and naive enough to believe that they are following the one, true path ? Is that decision also inept ? HK students are clearly putting their faith in a different cause to the one that their comrades across the border "idealistically" follow due to propagandaist teachings and the conformity of the mass society which they are exposed to from the cradle.
Me: Similarly, I can also say the students from "democratic" countries are also brainwashed to think that democracy is the only true path and they must conform to this, which they are being "exposed to from the cradle".
You: Obviously mainland students, to again compare, would all be diligently swatting up on their studies, having no notions of having fun or communicating with members of the opposite sex. Undoubtedly none of them woud even own a yellow umbrella. It's a wonder that they would be even allowed to have different hair colours or to wear clothing which is not basic army stock !!!
Me: Come to China and see for yourself. You are like a frog in the well.
You: Hard boiled egg is also an egg..." but it's hard to make an omelette from it and you still have to break the shell sometime.
Me: Why should I eat only omelette. I prefer hard-boiled egg. After all, I still get to eat an egg. Are you implying that the only correct way to eat an egg is omelette? Are you brainwashing me? You are also a victim of propaganda. If you continue to see things only from your perspective, there can never be a solution to anything except confrontation, aggression, and violence.
You: Human rights activists are critical of many countries around the world, some of democratic persuasion, some otherwise. China need not to have a chip on its shoulder for being focussed upon for its problems in this area but your admission the fact that China is not amongst this "once size fits all" democratic mould does not absolve it of human rights deficiences as its own government has readily admitted. The clampdown on freedom of expression and association evinced by the HK demonstrations would be a good example of this.
Me: Human rights is not a simple black and white matter. One man's meat is another man's poison. I believe in humane treatment for all human beings but the "human rights movement" is not just about that. It is also a political tool used by some. The "clampdown" had to be done because the protest had stretched for months and people in Hong Kong, including the government have tried to persuade the students to go through the proper channels without success. What would any government have done? In some countries, this kind of protest wouldn't even survive a day, and the students would all be locked up without trial. This did not happen in Hong Kong.