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Subject: Should China promote the Auto industry?
tamson
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Should China promote the Auto industry?
unlike western developed countries, china is just coming into a industrial stage.
the auto industry is just the emerging field. 20 years ago, the private cars are rarely seen in many cities.
at that time the car was a status credential just like the cell phone.
20 years passed, cars have become one kind of commodity. last year, china made about 9,345,000.
cars ranking NO.2 in the world following Japan's 11,564,000.
the cars industry's developing does not only bring convenience to ordinary people but also act as a main engine to push china's economy forward. so the china's government auite emphasize this industry's fluent development. it has revealed many related policies to promote auto industry.
it is quite right choice to promote the auto industry to ensure a high growth rate and bring considarable amount of jobs in the recent years when china is facing the severe employmeng situation.
but, think it again. as of righ now, by the current level of car owning rate, you can see the bad traffic condition and jam in almost each city. the traffic density is so high that beijing metropolitan municipal administration has to ban 20% of cars running on each day from monday to friday. if you the car owning rate continue rising, how horrible will the traffic condition be!! till that time, driving your car can only bring you the trouble instead of comfortable enjoyment and convenience.
besides the traffic problems, the pollution and energy consumption are the quite impotant issues. the cars emission is the main source of greenhouse gas which is the most concerned issue relating to climate change. and the current gasolene consumption is putting china into large deficit of oil import.
so if one of two chinese has a car, there will be more than 600 million cars (china's population is 1.3 biilion) which is almost 10 times of current 71,856,993.
can you imagine what will happen then? the pollution is quite severe and energy is exhausted!
2009-9-25 07:31 PM
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Should China promote the Auto industry?
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
tamson
at 2009-9-25 20:31
unlike western developed countries, china is just coming into a industrial stage.
the auto industry is just the emerging field. 20 years ago, the private cars are rarely seen in many cities.
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A good question this is.
Ford Motor began work on a third Chinese car plant as it strives to challenge General Motors Co. and Volkswagen AG in a country set to pass the U.S. as the world¡¯s biggest auto market.
The $490 million plant will make revamped Focus cars when it opens in 2012, Ford Chief Executive Officer said today at a groundbreaking ceremony in Chongqing, southern China. The factory, which will be able to make 150,000 vehicles a year, will boost Ford¡¯s overall car capacity in the country to 600,000.
It would hurt Ford and GM something terrible, would it not?
2009-9-25 08:45 PM
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at 2009-9-25 20:45
It would hurt Ford and GM something terrible, would it not?
all those cars are JVs so it would hurt local automakers just as much.
also note this news
Great wall Auto to increased production by a half million vehicles
Chang'an Auto to increase production by 600,000
Chang'an Auto to build new plant in Hebei for 500,000 small vans
Looks like stopping the auto stimulus would hurt Great wall and Chang'an as well considering they are adding 1.6 million capacity as well as being involved with GM and Ford. FAW and SAIC are the same.
2009-9-25 08:54 PM
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Reply #1 tamson's post
Once a city becomes densely congested,
The Mass rapid transit will become very profitable as motorist switches to the faster, cheaper transportation. In fact in Japan, Toll roads add cost, as well as costly and insufficient parking spots.
Now roads in Japan are not very congested as many now take public transport and keeps their cars inthe home! In the meantime, traffic congestion will create more opportunity for local governments to create more solutions and increase city public works. It benefits the construction industry, and the IT industry with it's traffic management systems!
It's an economic driver!
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note: The American Regime also hope to use China's rise as a tool to ENERGIZE further their owndomestic economy!
2009-9-28 03:21 PM
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you should compare the chinese population with others
2009-9-28 05:11 PM
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Reply #5 tamson's post
I doubt it's possible for all families in China to be able to afford cars!
by 2030, probably half the families will be able to afford cars.
the remaining half would use public transportation such as bus, rail or use the motorcycle!
there would be so many contraints by 2030!
The Americans already has preparing for post 2030 now!
Mr. Obama has helped by increasing mileage level of American cars by law!
This will allow more cars on the roads!
Always be alert is the final answer!
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2009-9-28 05:59 PM
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The Chinese are following the stupid North American car fetishists like lemmings running after their lead lemming over a cliff.
North Americans at least have space, which the Chinese hardly can say to have. It follows that the average motorist's behaviour is intrinsically grounded in a national psyche shaped by differing population density
figures.
Anyone visiting China immediately is seized with awe or fear when faced with the anarchic behaviour of Chinese people on the road - whether as motorists, bikers or pedestrians.
So, you are fast attaining the lifestyle and comfort level of North Americans but you are still imbued with a
behaviour better suited to jungle dwellers.
How will this nation respond to market forces when the oil glut suddenly has turned into scarcity?
2009-9-29 09:36 AM
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I have two sides of attitude about this question ,
on one hand ,
China is a special country in the world ,
because it has a large of population in the world .
Therefore,
if China produce many autos ,
it must affect the development of Chinese economic effects ,
even affect the world's economic .
on the other hand ,
more autos in the world must destroy the environmental quality .
That is a big question in the modern world and it is very strictly.
in my opinion ,
China should make a good balance between the economic effects and environmental protection.
That is very necessary for every country in the world .
2009-9-29 11:13 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
tamson
at 2009-9-25 19:31
unlike western developed countries, china is just coming into a industrial stage.
the auto industry is just the emerging field. 20 years ago, the private cars are rarely seen in many cities.
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I agree that auto industry will pull China's economy and supplier chain improvement.However there are too many small and poor auto companies which won't face and bear the auto industry develop[using new energy,solar,electric,hydrogen]In following years,the whole industry will face combination enormously.
2009-9-29 01:20 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
Vicky1314
at 2009-9-29 11:13
I have two sides of attitude about this question ,
on one hand ,
China is a special country in the world ,
because it has a large of population in the world .
Therefore,
if China produce many ...
Dears,
I' afraid that I cann't agree with you.If China's auto industry only face domestic market,It will be futureless.The main companies should consider how to increase their oversea market[north american,Asia]Other hand,using fossil fuel ensures pollute environment,however finding new fuel,just like hydrogen,solor,will bright future.
2009-9-29 01:48 PM
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the very thing we need to concern is not how many cars we can make now, but whether our environment can afford the consequences brought about by the unbelieveble increase of the cars, the policy of sustainable development requires us to protect our planet as well as foster the upgrade the auto industry, I think the best way might be new sources of fuel.
2009-9-29 11:04 PM
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Should i support auto industry ? ye definitely yes . Owning a car is a mark of modern way of life , and it has always been people's dream to own a car . A car means that you have more freedom and you do not have to take a crowded bus .A thriving car industry can provide jobs for not only those who are directly related to automobiles but also those who is not directly related like petrol industry .
People are always complaining that too many private cars cause environmental pollution . Yes it is a problem , but we can deal with it ,and that is also the reason why we should support car industry and draft a plan for green energy car industry . now big car makers are putting more and more attention on cars that emit litter pollution or even none. We can foresee in near future that cars would be cleaner and more environmental-friendly
2009-9-30 05:09 PM
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The Chinese are following the stupid North American car fetishists like lemmings running after their lead lemming over a cliff.
North Americans at least have space, which the Chinese hardly ca ...
¡°Americans have space¡± you say. Indeed so, 35 souls/km2 driving 26 cars.
Israel: 326 souls/km2 driving 93 cars.
UK: 250 souls/km2 driving 127 cars.
China: 141 souls/km2 driving 60 cars.
¡°Any one visiting China¡± you say is seized with fear. I drove around and across China, not by taxi or train but in my own car. From Manzhouli-Inner Mongolia to Hong Kong-Kunming-Zhongdian[Shangri-La]-Tibet-Xinjiang-Beijing-Heilongjiang just to name some places. You know what, I never seized with fear, never got robbed or shot at from fellow motorist's. Not even had an accident but found most helpful people and police where-ever I went. After all I don't get paid or got an ulterior motive to create trouble.
You say: ¡°the oil glut suddenly has turned into scarcity¡±? The old hype ¡°running out of oil¡± is always an useful tool to scare people. For as long as I can remember, I've been hearing that the world oil supply will run out in a few decades. In the 70's, the sudden drop in the amount of oil on the world market was due to a cartel of oil producing nations deliberately cutting back on production to raise the world price. Don't you know that Venezuela is another Saudi, that eastern Siberia got more oil and gas as there is needed! Of course you need to get, don't be a wombat now will you.
Chinas deep water semi-submersible drilling platform is the first independently designed and built by China, and is currently the most advanced in the world.
The platform is owned by China National Offshore Oil Corporation, and weighs 30,670 tons. It has a deck 114 meters long and 79 meters wide -- the size of a football field. It is 130 meters from the bottom of the rig to the tip of the drilling derrick -- equal to the height of a 43-story building. The total cable length is 650 kilometers. The total cost of the project is nearly RMB 6 billion, earning it the nickname the "aircraft carrier of maritime engineering¡±.
Beside that, tell me on how many nuclear power stations China is working on, whatever the number is; it makes China the world leader in volume of nuclear power stations under construction to reduce coal fired units and cut CO2 to clean up our air.
Where are most of electric scooters and bikes found. Again in China it is. On a pilot project, 10 cities each will receive 1000 electric cars. Can you tell me 10 cities in the US, EU or OZ doing such things! And they call themselves proudly developed.
Wind power: The leading markets in terms of new installed capacity in 2008 were the US and China. New US wind energy installations totalled 8,358 MW for a total installed capacity of 25,170 MW the US has now officially overtaken Germany (23,902 MW) as number one in wind power. Europe and North America are running neck-to-neck. In its response to the financial crisis, the Chinese government has identified the development of wind energy as one of the key economic growth areas.
¡°In 2009, new installed capacity is expected to nearly double again, which will be one third or more of the world¡¯s total new installed capacity for the year,¡± said Li Junfeng, Secretary General of the Chinese Renewable Energy Industry Association (CREIA). At this rate, China would be well on its way to overtake Germany and Spain to reach second place in terms of total wind power capacity in 2010. China would then have met its 2020 target of 30 GW ten years ahead of time. Couple that with Vanadium-Redox batteries and well, say no more. China better keep a lid on its Vanadium and other rare earth deposits, gold will be cheap compared to V2O5.
2009-10-1 09:43 PM
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China can focus on High Energy Efficient and Electric Auto industry.
I think China can promote the High Energy Efficient Auto industry.
However, I will propose that Public Transportation be given priority in the cities to smoothen the traffic flow.
With its capacity as World Manufacturing Factory, China could venture and mass produce electric cars in the future.
2009-10-3 12:55 PM
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Obviously, China goverment should promote the atuo industry, the key question is that how can goverment do to promote it. Is it simple just like attracting some foreign companies setting down some production subsidies in China ? But who can tell me where is the high-technology?
2009-10-3 02:51 PM
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QUOTE:
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I think China can promote the High Energy Efficient Auto industry.
However, I will propose that Public Transportation be given priority in the cities to smoothen the traffic flow.
With its capa ...
You're dead on with Public Transport.
It's refreshing to note that Beijing overtook London as per 2008 data. For the 60th Birthday, #4 Line opened up and no statistic is available yet. To date, Beijing has eight subway lines, with four more to be completed by end of 2012.
Beijing Subway is listed with 1.200 bill. rides/year.
London 1.197
Shanghai 1.122
N.Y. 1.624
Moscow 2.573 with Tokio leading at 3.174 rides.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Met ... ual_passenger_rides
2009-10-3 06:49 PM
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Definetely yes......
and that would be a great bump to other side industries related to it.
China can and must promote and benefit it's own companies to get more technologically advanced and to get outside to compete in foreign markets. It can be done. Geely is a good example!
2009-10-4 08:51 AM
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QUOTE:
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and that would be a great bump to other side industries related to it.
China can and must promote and benefit it's own companies to get more technologically advanced and to get outside to compet ...
Yes, I agree.
2009-10-4 08:52 AM
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definitely yes
If we can use new energy like solar energy, nuclear energy to drive auto car inexpensively, I think the prospect of auto indrustry is very nice.
2009-10-5 12:15 PM
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QUOTE:
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¡°Americans have space¡± you say. Indeed so, 35 souls/km2 driving 26 cars.
Israel: 326 souls/km2 driving 93 cars.
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I had no time nor leisure to visit this forum but today I did, and I must take exception to your courageous, yet resoundingly counterfactual, statements.
I think China should not, and cannot afford to, be motorised to the extent America is. America iws on a follish way anyway; do you want to replicate that???
But China is in a far worse situation. The West took one century to reach the saturation point they have arrived at while China is virtually starting from zero.
Today's urban roads in China are nothing but chaotic and anarchic; now put this in a bigger perspective: How many motorists does China have? Yes, any Western country has five to ten times as many cars per
1000 inhabitants as China does. Yet China, with its relatively few car drivers, manages to put its road system into gridlock during several hours of rush time a day.
The worst is not the economic loss (time wasted travelling on gridlocked roads, business deals lost); the worst is that the absolutely reckless, selfish mannerisms of rich but undereducated motorists kills well over 90'000 individuals in one year.
This rate is many times the accident rate typical of a European country.
Add to this the scarcity of parking spaces in urban jungles. Plus the unmanageable environmental pollution due to exhaust emissions and the disposal of car wrecks.
China's population data all point in favour of efficient public transport, with private motorism taking a distant second place.
You have an excellent railway network and a good motorway system; keep the latter open for important human and freight transportation but keep private cars out of sensitive areas (nature parks, highly populated population centres).
2009-10-5 06:37 PM
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