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iamchina
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Dalai Lama should stop violence

The upcoming new talks between the central government and the Dalai Lama are an important opportunity for the Dalai to improve relations with the central government. Dalai's behavior in this period will be remembered for ever by the central government.

I suggest Dalai stop relying on the support from foreigners and asking too much from the central government, and stop doing things that would anger the central government. Otherwise, his relationship with Beijing will further deteriorate, which may result in an outright abandonment of him by the central government.

Dalai is a representative of the Old Tibet, while the Tibet Autonomous Region government is the representative of the new Tibet and all the people in the region. There is not a single country in the world that recognizes the Dalai exile government. Therefore, Dalai has no right to represent Tibet and all the people in the region. So, the talks between Dalai and the central government are only talks about the personal fate of Dalai.

The Dalai clique claimed that only bloodshed could attract the world attention to Tibet. There are signs that Tibetan separatists are planning new bloodsheds in Tibet. If new violence do occur in Tibet, we believe the Dalai clique should take the blame. And if such incidents happen, the central government will stop talking with him. I suggest Dalai stop violence, stop disrupting the Beijing Olympics and stop activities aimed at splitting the country.

Dalai is a religious figure who should not engage in political activities. He should also stop advocating the separation of Tibet from China and dissolve his exile government in northern India. I advise him to work together with the central government to safeguard the unity of China, and continuous prosperity of Tibet autonomous region.

2008-6-25 12:42 PM

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Karma and Choices

Dalai 14 claims to believe in karma. And yet for 14 life times he was the largest slave owner on the Tibetan plateau, visiting untold cruelty and suffering on the hapless.

His predicament was totally of his own choosing. He still insist on crossing the line, and interfering in the secular. China will not and should not tolerate the effort by any so call "religious leader" to get involved in politics. Politics is solely the realm of MAN, not religion. Until and unless the Gucci wearing jetset "lama" denounces his claim to be "king" (the MAN half of the 'god-king' duality), the Dalai 14 has no hope of returning to China.

2008-6-25 01:14 PM

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I agree, Dalai is a religious leader and Chinese government should not allow this kind of "religious leader" to get involved in politics. I think it is positive to having talks with him, for the government can win more morale and the supporting of middle section

2008-6-25 02:36 PM

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The reason Dalai exiled himself is that he cannot bear the life without privilege. He was not kicked out by Chinese government. The result of the talks will never be changed, that is, Tibet is and always be a part of China. The only negotiable point maybe whether Dalai wants to come back to Tibet to continue to be a spirit leader or continue to be an anti-China figure.

2008-6-25 03:09 PM

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As a religious figure, Dalai Lama has no right to pursue political acts whatsever. The barberic killing, arsoning and bloodshed on the streets of Lhasa, on March 14, are condemned by all in this country called China. If any more violences take place in Lhasa, and other Tibetan-inhabited areas, taking the lives and businesses of local residents, be they Han Chinese, muslim Huis, or Tibetans, Dalai and his followers should be made accountable for. And his dream to come back to China before death is a day-dream.

2008-6-26 02:58 PM

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I hope those cowards who set fire on innocent people, will be caught and face justice.there are many people in the West are NOT supporters of the Dali Lama and feel sickened and disgusted at the actions of his followers and the rioters who attacked and burned innocent people.

Dalai lama is skilled at using the media and that many people in the West are so gullible they just believe he is a man of peace.

I applaud the Chinese government for helping the families of the victims of these criminals -- it obviously wont bring back their loved ones but hopefully will help the families in their grief. My thoughts and prayers remain with the families who lost beloved ones in the terrible tragedy, which was created and driected by the (fake) monk.

2008-6-26 03:00 PM

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So, CD, what do you think of Iran's government?

2008-6-26 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by interesting at 2008-6-26 15:04
So, CD, what do you think of Iran's government?

Your NIE contradicted itself regarding Iran in the past 2 reports. Which one is true?

2008-6-26 03:13 PM

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We still face the danger of dalai lama messing again before the Olympics.

Maybe we should directly ask his masters in US state department to stop provoking, or... is there 2016 Chicago Olympics?

2008-6-26 03:15 PM

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Stay on topic North.

So, what do you say? "Religious leaders should not be political leaders" implies that Iran's government is illegitimate.

2008-6-26 03:17 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by interesting at 2008-6-26 15:17
Stay on topic North.

So, what do you say? "Religious leaders should not be political leaders" implies that Iran's government is illegitimate.

Iran is not in China's territory, right? That's their business.

But in China, keep secular.

2008-6-26 03:18 PM

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I was in Tibet last December 07.The people's well-being has improved tremendously over the last five years. The critics have become silent. Now to get attention, a few hotheads are to create political havocs before the Olympics. We overseas can see clearly that all these were orchestrated by outside forces and some foreign medias for their own agendas.
China must bring peace and stability quickly and show to the world the true situation/pictures to mute the Dalai's scheme and expose them to the world to see.

2008-6-26 03:24 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by iamchina at 2008-6-25 12:42
The upcoming new talks between the central government and the Dalai Lama are an important opportunity for the Dalai to improve relations with the central government. Dalai's behavior in this period ...

the DL got French PR & soon Nancy Pelosi gives hin USA status ............

2008-6-26 03:35 PM

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North,

Then you agree that CD is wrong and religious leaders are valid political leaders?

2008-6-26 03:40 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by interesting at 2008-6-26 15:40
North,

Then you agree that CD is wrong and religious leaders are valid political leaders?

I always think that your English should be better than mine.

We support secular government, but on how Iran choose their way, it's none of our business, they are mature enough.

2008-6-26 03:43 PM

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North,

In which case you agree.

Let's move on now. Your case for annexation of Tbt stems from the religious organization of the region under the DL. Here you've clearly stated that such an organization was the DL's business and his alone.

Your views cannot be reconciled. Shall you reject Iran or embrace the DL?

2008-6-26 03:48 PM

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I say I support secular government, then you conclude.

QUOTE:

Originally posted by interesting at 2008-6-26 15:48
North,

In which case you agree....

Are you sure you know the meaning of S E C U L A R ?

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Let's move on now. Your case for annexation of Tbt stems from the religious organization of the region under the DL.

You're wrong, Tbt is not "annexed", it's already Chinese territory since DL 1 to DL 13 and part of DL 14... before C1A moving in.

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Here you've clearly stated that such an organization was the DL's business and his alone.

I said Iran, use your spectacles.

QUOTE:

Your views cannot be reconciled. Shall you reject Iran or embrace the DL?

Reject any theocratic rule in Chinese territory.

2008-6-26 03:54 PM

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I'm not asking you to support a particular policy, but to merely be consistent. I, myself, generally agree on secular government, allowing religious government in Vatican City-like cases where the head of a religious group is guaranteed autonomy from political actors by virtue of having a small patch of sovereign territory. But this doesn't mean I think something should be done about the Iranian government, for example, because belief that something is wrong does not necessarily entail a belief in a particular policy with regard to it.

2008-6-26 03:56 PM

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A stable & peaceful China is in the best interest of China itself, and Asia & the world at large. Chinese government's recent willingness to forge friendly relations with Japan, a traditional foe, has shown that best to all. The atmosphere across the Taiwan Strait has calmed down, with the oust of trouble-maker Chen Shui-bian; and, as KMT & CPC are willing to achieve more economic successes for fellow Chinese living on the mainland and the island, more cordinal and truthful cooperations are in the pipelines, the result? Peace with Japan, Peace in the Taiwan Strait.

However, the March 14 Lhasa killing and arsoning came to us a total surprise. No one here in Beijing or any other city and village want to see a chaotic Tibet, where residents live in fear, travellors' safety cannot be ensured, and ordinary people's life and expectation for a better livelihood are abrupted and broken. This is the devil of chaos. We hope those hidden forces which instigate violence, fan Tibet indepedence from China, or grab the eyeballs with man-made bloodshed, stop their acts, now.

2008-6-26 03:57 PM

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Sorry North, but that argument won't fly because you do not have agreement with me on the status of Tbt prior to 1949. Thus it simply will not do to make that presumption in your argument. Moreover, this is a talking point of China's specifically on why Tbt cannot be a country, so your argument is doubly irrelevant.

2008-6-26 04:01 PM

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