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Subject: China one step closer to the moon
cestmoi
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China one step closer to the moon
Why do we want to go to the
moon
?
* For the free "Moon Cake"
* For "face" and prestige, to show off to the world that we can do it too
* Purely scientific purposes, it doesn't even help with astro-navigation
* For military purposes only, a lunar laser beam will come in handy to measure or to blind
* For mining naturally occurring HELIUM-3
In 10, at most 20 years from now, HELIUM-3 will be the U3O8 (yellow cake) of the future. It doesn't matter that one doesn't exactly understand why we need HELIUM-3 just yet. Back in 1421, the Ming Dynasty didn't understand enough to send settlers to the Americas.
HELIUM-3 is produced in a thermal-nuclear, or better still, a hydrogen bomb explosion. But the lunar surface is a rich source of naturally occurring HELIUM-3.
Let's hear it from all Chinese, scream at the top of your voice at Beijing so they hear, we want:
HELIUM-3
HELIUM-3
HELIUM-3
For those with an inquisitive mind, a web link for you:
http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/neep533/FALL2001/lecture25.pdf
2007-8-12 07:50 PM
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Flags
Hey, if the Americans went first and planted their flag, doen't that mean the Helium 3 is on their territory?
Kinda like the Russians and their Polar exercise, I trink.
2007-8-12 07:53 PM
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You "trink"?
QUOTE:
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drwatson
at 2007-8-12 19:53
Hey, if the Americans went first and planted their flag, doen't that mean the Helium 3 is on their territory?
Kinda like the Russians and their Polar exercise,
I trink.
Yeah okay, you keep on "trinking"
2007-8-12 07:55 PM
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Nice comment. Thanks for entering into debate.
Very intelligent. Any more wise words for me?
2007-8-12 07:57 PM
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Distribution of 14 usable elements
QUOTE:
He quoted Vice-Premier Zeng Peiyan's words, asking all participants to continue working hard to guarantee the project a complete success.
...
The
Moon
orbiter, Chang'e I, will provide 3D images of the Moon's surface, probe the
distribution of 14 usable elements on the
Moon
, study lunar microwaves and estimate the thickness of the Moon's soil, earlier reports said.
We need a rover equipped with a state-of-art spectrometer.
Go China go! To the stars, through diligence and hard work.
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08/11/content_6022342.htm
2007-8-12 08:06 PM
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Per aspera, ad astra
China, to the stars, through diligence and hardwork: ad astra per aspera.
Indeed, let the dice fly high!
2007-8-12 08:11 PM
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HELIUM-3
2007-8-12 08:12 PM
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Well done
Thanks for the support, Chair. I am sure Beijing recognises the enormous significance of landing on the
moon
and harvesting HELIUM-3.
When U3O8 price rises another 1000%, when the world is a colder place and energy is scarce, you will hear the cry for HELIUM-3! It is the coal, the crude oil and the yellow cake of the future, at most twenty years from now. And my-oh-my isn't it an efficient fuel!
And you hear it from Cestmoi and Chairman here and now in 2007.
2007-8-12 08:17 PM
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Indeed..
FASTER CHINA
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2007-8-12 08:21 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
drwatson
at 2007-8-12 19:57
Nice comment. Thanks for entering into debate.
Very intelligent. Any more wise words for me?
Have a "trink" on me?
2007-8-13 08:13 AM
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The USA was there almost 40 years ago. China is so far behind.
Does this mean that the Chinese are 40 years behind in intelligence as well?
2007-8-13 05:18 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
joey141
at 2007-8-13 17:18
The USA was there almost 40 years ago. China is so far behind.
Does this mean that the Chinese are 40 years behind in intelligence as well?
in a way, YES. the Chinese are behind 40 years.
by the same calculation, the yankee must be about 3000 years behind the Chinese (conservatively) in civilisation.NO.....KFC is not a civilisation, they are just your artery-busters if you are not careful.talk about cheap lives.
2007-8-14 02:23 AM
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QUOTE:
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mypanida
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by the same calculation, the yankee must be about 3000 years behind the Chinese (conservatively) in civilisation.NO.....KFC is not a civilisation, they are just your artery-busters if you are not careful.talk about cheap lives.
That is one hell of a reply, mypanida.
I wish I had thought up that one.
2007-8-14 02:38 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
drwatson
at 12-8-2007 11:57
Nice comment. Thanks for entering into debate.
Very intelligent. Any more wise words for me?
I think that's as intelligent as he gets.
Going to the
Moon
won't mean China "owns" Helium 3 deposits. For one thing the US got there first, so if you want to talk about planting flags they would have a right to it.
But more importantly, international law says that resources on bodies like the
moon
are for the world to use, not individual countries to grab at. If a country like China or the US tried to say it had exclusive rights over the Moon's resources, it could start not just global but inter-stellar resource wars.
Let's be sensible about this - exploit the Solar System's bounty
together
for the benefit of everyone on the planet.
2007-8-14 03:34 AM
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let's just assumed that we are still living on a same planet....hahahahha
2007-8-14 04:44 AM
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Hate to throw a spanner in the works...
... but has there been confirmation of the Helium-3 deposits on the
Moon
? There was some interesting theories about ice being on the dark side of the
moon
. Heck, I remember Arthur C. Clarke writing a few lines in his book 2061about that idea - but provided to be fool's gold once the planet was surveyed. So... is there any surveys (chemical or radiation) to prove there is Helium-3?
2007-8-14 04:51 AM
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Because China can do it !
Comrade cestmoi ,
Thank you for the interesting info on the Helium 3 story . It is good that China is prepared to invest money , man power and scientific capital into this moon-probe. It does earn bragging rights ( which will sh!t our baying hounds here no end ) , it has military and communications and command spin offs and simply because " China can do it !! "
You must be on to something worthwhile , best judged each time by the speed and spastic reactions of the pesky pests . The more creditable an item is to China , the faster they congregate and curse . Good work cestmoi . Keep the bastards honest . Zhongguo wan shui .
2007-8-14 05:09 AM
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hahahah
i thought that China will just own the Earth......but the
moon
now ???
Chairman Mao said CHIA YU.....
2007-8-14 08:43 AM
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Testing for Helium-3 deposits
QUOTE:
Hate to throw a spanner in the works...
... but has there been confirmation of the Helium-3 deposits on the
Moon
? There was some interesting theories about ice being on the dark side of the
moon
. Heck, I remember Arthur C. Clarke writing a few lines in his book 2061about that idea - but provided to be fool's gold once the planet was surveyed. So... is there any surveys (chemical or radiation) to prove there is Helium-3?
This exploratory mission will test for 14 usable elements. I am arguing that Helium-3 must be one of them. Helium-3 is deposited on the sunny side of the
moon
by the solar wind because the
moon
does not have a magnetosphere. The question is whether we have the technology to harvest that and the return on investment. It is interesting to note that the solar wind will continue depositing He-3 as long as the sun is shining, something like the self-replenishing magic pudding. No need to bicker over it
QUOTE:
Because China can do it !
Comrade cestmoi ,
Thank you for the interesting info on the Helium 3 story . It is good that China is prepared to invest money , man power and scientific capital into this moon-probe. It does earn bragging rights ( which will sh!t our baying hounds here no end ) , it has military and communications and command spin offs and simply because " China can do it !! "
You must be on to something worthwhile , best judged each time by the speed and spastic reactions of the pesky pests . The more creditable an item is to China , the faster they congregate and curse . Good work cestmoi . Keep the bastards honest . Zhongguo wan shui .
Thanks for the encouragement, and ignore the pesky pests, they are irrelevant.
2007-8-14 09:42 AM
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Technology to harvest He-3
I don't think we can underestimate the challenge to current technology, bearing in mind the deposits, logically, will be richest on the side constantly exposed to the sun. Now that's a hostile environment and the lunar rover will take a pounding from the solar wind.
We have another two decades to put a fusion-reactor into operation, by that time technology should have come that far to enable China to harvest He-3 from the
moon
.
At the moment, we have been shut-out of the International Space Station (ISS) program, but not for lack of enthusiasm from China. It's a political power play. China must rely on herself, as usual.
2007-8-14 09:53 AM
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